The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Tuesday 15th April) Bamford to see out his contract with Leeds

[Irish Ian]

Some great points, especially regarding Bielsa's three season rule.

Bielsa connected to the club and its fanbase better than anybody else I can remember, but I do wonder whether our (Leeds fans) minds have been clouded by his connection, rather than coaching abilities? We probably had the fittest squad in Europe during his reign, but what good is it, if it cuts short their playing career?

Thing is Bielsas three season rule was previously a two season rule... just an easy accusation made against him by lazy footballers who didn't want to get better.
In other words it wasn't a rule at all,which means rules out your second theory about cutting short players careers.

[1964white]

Well I've been in on someones ST very very easily, simply walked up to the turnstiles with him, I go in first, he goes in second, as I say , easy, no need to transfer anything, all from his phone.
You don't think those africans or whatever they are actually know whats going on do you !!

They are totally clueless, mate.

The majority can't even speak English, so how can you employ them at the front of the house in ones business, which is a massive organisation.

Cheap labour!

[Barlow Boy]

I read a post on another forum of a guy not being allowed into ER with his dads season ticket.

Only time I see that being an issue is if the lad is trying to use his dad’s ticket, who is a senior ST holder.

As mentioned above, though, I see no checks whatsoever by the stewards on the turnstile gates.

[Ellandback1]

2+2 not equalling 4. Bamford had injury problems prior to joining Leeds and missed most of his first season at Leeds through a serious injury. Hardly Bielsa related and nor was his injury sustained during a slide on his knees after scoring a goal. Sadly some players are simply injury prone and often once some part of your body lets you down you start getting injuries elsewhere by trying to protect your weak area.

Dallas was a prime example of a player getting better and better through being super fit. Similar to Bamford missed a lot of matches through injury early on with Leeds but then became an ever present prior to the injury sustained against Man City, again not a body breaking down through excessive demands injury.

Just look at the comedian Eddie Izzard running marathons day afer day as an example of what the body can do and how it can get used to a level of fitness.

To be fair though, the injury he sustained with the knee slide was his comeback match v Brentford, which put him out for a couple of months. After eventually returning, he picked up a horrendous thigh injury practising penalties! You expect players to pick up injuries, but nothing to the degree that Bamford has...

[Ellandback1]

They are totally clueless, mate.

The majority can't even speak English, so how can you employ them at the front of the house in ones business, which is a massive organisation.

Cheap labour!

Perhaps we should bring Thatcher back

[Ellandback1]

Thing is Bielsas three season rule was previously a two season rule... just an easy accusation made against him by lazy footballers who didn't want to get better.
In other words it wasn't a rule at all,which means rules out your second theory about cutting short players careers.

True, and its not like he came with that reputation when he first joined. That came after. He added class to the side and club.

Not sure in hindsight, we should have allowed Aston Villa to walk the ball into the back of the net though.

[Irish Ian]

True, and its not like he came with that reputation when he first joined. That came after. He added class to the side and club.

Not sure in hindsight, we should have allowed Aston Villa to walk the ball into the back of the net though.

In retrospect the Villa goal drew the insubordination out of Pontus which was good imo as he was replaced by Ben White who is arguably the best loanee we have ever made ( though Solomon runs him close)

[mentalcase]

Perhaps we should bring Thatcher back

I would in a shot, she'd sort this sorry frigging mess out, they wouldn't be invading from france like they do :rant:evil:

[ruttermania]

My point about the Bielsa 3 year rule was that the Club should have factored in the risk factor of Bamford being prone to injury after playing for 3 years in a role in a system which would have put strain on any players body. If Bamford was injury prone prior to joining Leeds then there was an even higher duty of care so the club didn't do the kind of due diligence that those red flags would have suggested. Bielsa was a complete one off and was probably the best pick for Leeds situation at the time as it could so easily have continued the drift of Championship mediocrity with safe picks . He got virtually complete buy in from the squad and as a result transformed the careers of a number of those players and renewed the relationship of Club and fans . That period was transformational and was almost entirely due to him but I don't think he got the same level of buy in from some of the players who came in after promotion .

[WhiteRose]

I would in a shot, she'd sort this sorry frigging mess out, they wouldn't be invading from france like they do :rant:evil:

She really would wouldn’t she, there also wouldn’t be a landfill site on what was once Birmingham. I’m not sure who todays politicians are answering to but it certainly isn’t the electorate

[whiteswan]

Bamford has never been the same since he injured himself whilst celebrating a goal.

How long ago was that?

My biggest bug bear with him I was very annoyed (after the medical team had got him back to fitness, not to mention what he owed the fans for being out so long) that he completely undid all the good for a stupid goal celebration!

[BlancdeBlanc]

She really would wouldn’t she, there also wouldn’t be a landfill site on what was once Birmingham. I’m not sure who todays politicians are answering to but it certainly isn’t the electorate

Agenda 2030, Soros, Gates… I’ve got all day. Ask how Blair is now a multi millionaire, May gets paid hundreds of thousands for a speaking gig (Climate Change Act, ta very much Teresa) and the other Milliband secured a ridiculous salary at some NGO - until Trump cancelled USAID. All snouts in the trough, doing their masters bidding.

[weasel]

My point about the Bielsa 3 year rule was that the Club should have factored in the risk factor of Bamford being prone to injury after playing for 3 years in a role in a system which would have put strain on any players body. If Bamford was injury prone prior to joining Leeds then there was an even higher duty of care so the club didn't do the kind of due diligence that those red flags would have suggested. Bielsa was a complete one off and was probably the best pick for Leeds situation at the time as it could so easily have continued the drift of Championship mediocrity with safe picks . He got virtually complete buy in from the squad and as a result transformed the careers of a number of those players and renewed the relationship of Club and fans . That period was transformational and was almost entirely due to him but I don't think he got the same level of buy in from some of the players who came in after promotion .

In terms of fitness etc there was absolutely no basis for anything as Bielsa hadn't been at clubs for anywhere near 3 years. For me the burnout was season 1. Season 2 you then are more used to the stress being put on your body and as such more likely to be able to go further. It is why athletes train and push themselves so that their body can go faster and fater, jump further etc.

Bielsa's 3 year thing was more about refreshing the side. Players might no longer give their all, no longer listen as intently etc. Plus we had an aging side of players that hadn't been premier league players. Bielsa was getting the max out of them but knew that for us to progress we needed players with a better base skill level. Take as an example Jack Harrison and Raphinha. Bielse extracted much more out of Harrison than anyone could have expected who saw Harrison in the first season with us. The Harrison who got replaced by Clarke. So Bielsa gets the most out of him. But then take a player like Raphinha who has a far greater base skill level and that is the sort of player that Bielsa needed to take the team to the next level - and obviously it wasn't about finding 11 players that were that good but finding players betting than a Tyler Roberts, better than a Liam Cooper, better than a Luke Ayling etc, players who were either not good enough or had reached the highest point of their career and were then going to regress.

[BlancdeBlanc]

Athletes cycle their training though, train for a marathon and you have an easy week every month and then you taper. The Kenyans famously do most of their training runs at a pace where they can carry a cup of tea. Cyclists probably have the highest load but even then it’s mostly cruising in the peloton before the sprint or climb, and then they take winter off to cycle down and then peak again. You can’t just keep going at top level, it’s impossible.

[mentalcase]

If either of them drop points friday, we could be promoted monday providing we win the next 2, C'mon Leeds, we can do it.

[John in Louisiana]

His contract ends in 2079

[weasel]

Athletes cycle their training though, train for a marathon and you have an easy week every month and then you taper. The Kenyans famously do most of their training runs at a pace where they can carry a cup of tea. Cyclists probably have the highest load but even then it’s mostly cruising in the peloton before the sprint or climb, and then they take winter off to cycle down and then peak again. You can’t just keep going at top level, it’s impossible.

That's about peaking for a competition.

I refer you to Eddie Izzard running marathons every day - Eddie Izzard has completed 27 marathons in as many days for Sport Relief. The numbers are astonishing. In 27 days, Eddie Izzard ran or walked 707.4 miles (1,138 km) around South Africa, often in extreme heat, at the age of 54.2

[Volvo Jack]

To be fair though, the injury he sustained with the knee slide was his comeback match v Brentford, which put him out for a couple of months. After eventually returning, he picked up a horrendous thigh injury practising penalties! You expect players to pick up injuries, but nothing to the degree that Bamford has..
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Bamford is not available Friday against Oxford as he is Guest of Honour at Leeds Infirmary
Dinner and Dance and as Patient of the Year he is to presented with one of his original
Plaster Casts.

[Jammy 07]

In terms of fitness etc there was absolutely no basis for anything as Bielsa hadn't been at clubs for anywhere near 3 years. For me the burnout was season 1. Season 2 you then are more used to the stress being put on your body and as such more likely to be able to go further. It is why athletes train and push themselves so that their body can go faster and fater, jump further etc.

Bielsa's 3 year thing was more about refreshing the side. Players might no longer give their all, no longer listen as intently etc. Plus we had an aging side of players that hadn't been premier league players. Bielsa was getting the max out of them but knew that for us to progress we needed players with a better base skill level. Take as an example Jack Harrison and Raphinha. Bielse extracted much more out of Harrison than anyone could have expected who saw Harrison in the first season with us. The Harrison who got replaced by Clarke. So Bielsa gets the most out of him. But then take a player like Raphinha who has a far greater base skill level and that is the sort of player that Bielsa needed to take the team to the next level - and obviously it wasn't about finding 11 players that were that good but finding players betting than a Tyler Roberts, better than a Liam Cooper, better than a Luke Ayling etc, players who were either not good enough or had reached the highest point of their career and were then going to regress.

Good post that weasel