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Good Morning. It's Thursday 4th September, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Fans puzzled by Okafor signing

Robbie Evans’s recent comments that Leeds United were already “maxed out” under Profitability and Sustainability Rules (PSR) have left many supporters puzzled, particularly in light of the club’s decision to allocate a reported £16m–18m on Swiss international Noah Okafor. The move has raised eyebrows because Leeds already possess a surplus of left-sided wingers, casting doubt on whether this investment truly addressed the squad’s most pressing needs. While Okafor’s versatility, his ability to operate across the front three, undoubtedly made him an attractive option for the board, the question remains: was this the most efficient use of limited financial resources?

If Okafor were demonstrably superior to the wide players currently available, it might be easier to rationalise, however, his profile suggests he is more a solid addition than a transformative figure. Given the glaring lack of depth and reliability in the final third, many would argue that funds should have been directed towards a creative influence.





Leeds will not be turning to free agent market

Leeds United managing director Robbie Evans has made it clear that the club will not be turning to the free-agent market to address the club's attacking voids, despite missing out on key targets. While the need for reinforcements in the final third is acknowledged, Evans has expressed a clear preference for patience and strategic planning over a quick, and potentially costly, fix. He confirmed the club will re-evaluate its options closer to Christmas but admitted the overriding goal is to avoid the January transfer window altogether if possible, a sentiment many fans will understand given the club's historically mixed results with mid-season signings. He expressed significant doubt that a player of the required quality is even available, describing the free-agent pool as a market best suited for an emergency injury crises, citing last season’s signing of Josuha Guilavogui as a prime example.

Whether it’s in the window or it’s the free-agent market or it’s January, it’s all about what does the team actually need? What is the opportunity cost, as far as the buy you can’t make later on, or the sale you might have to make out of your current roster?

I don’t think, right now, there’s any need so great it’s worth going to the free-agent market to fill it. In part, because I doubt the right player is there. It’s a great market for injuries. Last year, we brought Josuha (Guilavogui) in. We had an emergency crisis with injuries.

Beyond that, it’s probably wait and see. Once we get through the first 10 games, you’re eight games from January. If you have to evaluate, we’ll use that, but our goal is to avoid January, if possible. There’s a reason we didn’t do a big thing in January last year or the year before. The goal is to be done early. Actually, we got all of our core guys done before the season even began, for that reason.

Not just before deadline day, but actually before August was the goal for the key ones. It’s there, but we don’t see using free agency as a priority because there’s only a handful of players we felt were good enough to begin with, and the pool obviously shrinks dramatically when you go from the entirety of the window, or the players in the window, to the handful of free agents that are available.




Current squad members don't have relegation loan clauses

Evans has also moved to reassure fans that the contractual mistakes which haunted the club after its 2023 relegation will not be repeated. In a candid update, he confirmed that none of the current squad members have relegation loan clauses written into their terms. This proved disastrous last time around, allowing players to depart for free and leaving the club with little to show for its investment. Evans acknowledged that every player’s contract is unique, but stressed that the club now operates with far tighter safeguards. This time out they may even read the contracts!

Every player’s contract is different. I can say, categorically, we do not have any relegation loan clauses, which I found to be by far the most catastrophic because you lose the player for nothing. Some players have relegation sale clauses. All of them are at a price at or above, normally well above, the price we paid for them. And many of them don’t.

So it’s a person to person basis, based on their leverage, but I’m pretty confident, to a man, any player that comes down, either we will be in control of their sale or not, or, if they’re sold, I’m comfortable with the return they’ll have generated to make it worth our while to have them leave.

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So that's why we couldn't get quality...
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The Subhuman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:01 am So that's why we couldn't get quality...
I’d rather do without it then.
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Carrick Dave wrote: ↑Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:18 am I’d rather do without it then.
What it doesn't say is do they geat a salary cut on relegation... could you imaging carrying DLC's 130k per into the championship
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The Subhuman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:01 am So that's why we couldn't get quality...
We don’t know that yet. It takes time for new players to bed in, especially if they aren’t playing.
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Orange Box wrote: ↑Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:22 am We don’t know that yet. It takes time for new players to bed in, especially if they aren’t playing.
Now that's what I expected .. pushback on the player quality point. I agree, we don't know for sure. All these players could prove to play way and above the quality they've shown in their career so far..
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The Subhuman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:01 am So that's why we couldn't get quality...
I do think Okafor could be a great signing, especially if he can find the form he showed at Saltzburg. According to Wiki, the fee we paid was £18m - that could have easily plugged the creative gap.
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The Subhuman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:22 am What it doesn't say is do they geat a salary cut on relegation... could you imaging carrying DLC's 130k per into the championship
You'd imagine that's a standard clause
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I'm not puzzled by the Okafor signing. When healthy, I think he's a clear upgrade over what we have. But we need to get him fully fit.
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The Subhuman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:23 am Now that's what I expected .. pushback on the player quality point. I agree, we don't know for sure. All these players could prove to play way and above the quality they've shown in their career so far..
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By the way, I'm in Greece right now enjoying some great food, beaches, and time with the family. It's weird to be posting two hours ahead of UK time. I'm used to being 8 hours behind in Arizona.... 8-)
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I was a little surprised we didn't look at Danny Ings, who has signed for Sheffield Utd on a 1 year deal. Yes, he's injury prone, but so is Calvert-Lewin.
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BlackHillsPaul wrote: ↑Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:49 am By the way, I'm in Greece right now enjoying some great food, beaches, and time with the family. It's weird to be posting an hour ahead of UK time. I'm used to being 8 hours behind in Arizona.... 8-)
Which part of Greece pal?
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The Subhuman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:23 am Now that's what I expected .. pushback on the player quality point. I agree, we don't know for sure. All these players could prove to play way and above the quality they've shown in their career so far..
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Ellandback1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:50 am Which part of Greece pal?
We are in Keratea which is about 30 miles southeast of Athens.
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Most important people in the club this season are the medical team.
We will need DCL, Okafur, NMecha and Amps (who picks up his fair share of injuries) on the pitch and not in the treatment room.
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Ellandback1 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:41 am You'd imagine that's a standard clause
Why, what do the players get in return?
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I would at least approach Eriksen ,fantastic footballer even after his health scares.
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Orange Box wrote: ↑Thu Sep 04, 2025 8:45 am Progress, my boy. Progress. Practice makes perfect, and other quotes and cliches I’m not smart enough to recall. QED.
None of them are young I don't think.
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A striker, a number 10, a playmaker, a better goalie, the churn goes on and on... expressing the idea that we don't have any real capability and we are bound to fail.

The conventional wisdom is this is what the best teams do and to succeed, and we must emulate them. A striker like Harland, a playmaker like Messi, a goalie like Buffon. Measuring ourselves by what we haven't got. Poor poor pitiful me.

Wouldn't you like it that Leeds developed a completely new style of football that broke away from all those expectations, something that defied the accepted and conventional wisdom... something new and revolutionary, something that has never been seen before, completely free, and a style that was instantly recognisable as Leeds style. A style that would confuse the hell out the pundits and leave them speechless.

Pep so successful with the style he developed at Citeh has somehow found it hard going last year and even at the beginning of this year even though his team conforms to all the norms for success.

Is there a wind of change sweeping through the football world, away from the tiki taka that has bored us for so long... and couldn't Leeds be part of that revolution.
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