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Re: What about QPR Points deduction

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Genghers wrote:Edit: Well that's about as spineless as the FL get...
the actual quote from the FL is
"The Football League can confirm that it intends to present the npower Championship Trophy to Queens Park Rangers at the conclusion of tomorrow's fixture with Leeds United, in line with custom and practice. This decision will only be reviewed if the verdict of the ongoing FA Tribunal affects standings in the Championship table before that time."

and actually (and to quote waccoe)
Which is another way of saying "As things stand QPR are champions, if that doesn't change we'll give them the trophy tomorrow like normal. If it does change, we won't."
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scenario 1

QPR found not guilty and the table stays as it is. all the teams who moan about it get no where because its been tryed and they were found not guilty.

scenario 2

QPR guilty of X amount of charges and docked X amount of points (or demoted for very serious breach). whatever they are charged with wether it be 1 point or 30 points everyone has to get over it. it may or may not benefit QPR or any other team and QPR are threatened with losing their golden share should they appeal any decision.

simple as that...

the most probable by the sounds of reports/news stories is that QPR are in the sh!t and though it's not the poor fans fault they will feel the hit. if they did break the rules and the FA stick to the rules they have in writing it will be many points.
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Re: What about QPR Points deduction

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faaip wrote:
I quite agree with the last point and even if nothing were on the line I'd want us to fight for that seventh place.

It's a mess though and I see no easy solution unless QPR are found not guilty, QPR if found guilty will appeal, so depending on the penalty

scenario 1: Norwich are promoted and the other four play off as usual, If QPR win then they are re-instated as champions and go up. If they lose the playoff final losers take their place, QPR finish mid table - Teams that finished 3rd and 7th will feel aggrieved

scenario 2 : Norwich go up, 3rd place team goes up and QPR take their place in the Playoffs and winner goes up, If QPR win their appeal they go up and team 3 will not get promotion and no shot at the playoffs, team 7 not affected.
Team that finishes 3rd will have a case in the courts

scenario 3 QPR are found not guilty...

scenario 4 QPR are found guilty and fined ...all teams should feel aggrieved

scenario 5 QPR are found guilty and get a slap on the wrist points deduction and go up in second, all of football should feel agrieved at a contrived penalty

Scenario 6. Playoffs are suspended till a resolution is reached, which couldtake months depending how many times QPR appeal and to whom

Scenario 7 QPR drop back to mid table. Team 3 are promoted, Team 7 move into the playoffs. If QPR win their appeal, team 3 will again suffer the most


Personally I think scenario 3 is most likely, scenario 4 second favorite, I'd say scenario 2 is unworkable, and scenario 1 the least risk option 'cause if team 3 get to the the playoff final only team 7 could have any kind of case
While scenario 3 sounds the cleanest it would set precedent that would hang with the FA forever and destroy whatever credibility they have left if any.

I still think the best action for the FA if QPR are guilty which is almost certain based upon the charges & especially the fact the FL referred the case to the FA, is for the FA to offer QPR two options:

Option1: A mid table penalty take your medicine and grin & bear it with no further repercussions but only if they agree not to appeal or contest in the courts otherwise

Option2: Two division or even expulsion from FL and take your chances on appeal or in the courts the best they would do is get the sentence reduced to a single demotion, also the FA may float the concept of banning from football the player, agent, QPR chairman & owners for further leverage it's not that Briatore hasn't been thrown out of another sport for cheating is it.
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Twiggster wrote:FL just announced they WILL present the trophy to QPR at our game tomorrow. :roll:
For the FL to do anything other than present the trophy to QPR tomorrow would imply the FL either knew the outcome of the FA enquiry, or had presupposed that the FA would dock points. Either of these could be considered prejudicial.

The FL, which remember has nothing to do with the FA enquiry, has no choice but to present the trophy to QPR tomorrow. Let's hope we ruin the party, and then the FA destroy the party entirely.
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wakey^white wrote:scenario 1

QPR found not guilty and the table stays as it is. all the teams who moan about it get no where because its been tryed and they were found not guilty.

scenario 2

QPR guilty of X amount of charges and docked X amount of points (or demoted for very serious breach). whatever they are charged with wether it be 1 point or 30 points everyone has to get over it. it may or may not benefit QPR or any other team and QPR are threatened with losing their golden share should they appeal any decision.

simple as that...

Can they take the golden share? and before you answer that's what they did to us, it's not. we as a new company had to apply for the golden share which the FL were going to withhold if we took matters further, which would have been fine except we were about to start the season. We were kinda over a barrel...QPR are not, they have time in the close season to win an appeal
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faaip wrote: the actual quote from the FL is

and actually (and to quote waccoe)
I should know not to rise to s**t stirring :roll:
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has'nt it been said today that the trophy will now be not presented to them?

TBH i'd just kick em out of the league and all the welsh teams and that should reconfigure the championship table nicely.
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wakey^white wrote:has'nt it been said today that the trophy will now be not presented to them?

TBH i'd just kick em out of the league and all the welsh teams and that should reconfigure the championship table nicely.
Just goes to show what an inept and gormless FL we have! latest statement

That was posted an hour ago :roll:


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panel member Colin Murdock leaves Wembley Stadium and tells ssn "no announcement today" on qpr hearing.


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Twiggster wrote:panel member Colin Murdock leaves Wembley Stadium and tells ssn "no announcement today" on qpr hearing.


Hear that? It's the soft, swishing sound of this whole mess being brushed under the rug. :x
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Complete and utter joke. So when QPR get promoted can all of us within a certain points difference of them claim compensation for lost revenue as a result of us not getting promoted because the FL have done nowt?
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The panel must have established guilt/innocence by now which implies to me guilt on at least one charge and based on the charges if they were guilty of one they are probably guilty on all counts.

If they were innocent then the panel would have announced and everything would be done & dusted.

I see two things that could be happening

1. They are still determining the scope of the sanctions or 2. They are negotiating with QPR the sanctions so there is no appeal or legal challenge and QPR are less than happy with what is being offered.

If they have determined guilt and the FA had any sense then should announce that QPR are guilty and the delay is due to determining the sanctions, then again I just reminded myself that I'm talking about the FA here!
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Just heard on Football Focus - QPR have been found guilty but will have no points deducted. :roll:
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what a joke..we'll struggle to put a hatfull past them now..as for f*cking smug warnock on football focus..love to smash his face in :x
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joluafc4eva wrote:Just heard on Football Focus - QPR have been found guilty but will have no points deducted. :roll:
From the BBC 'live Saturday football site'

Dan Roan tells BBC Sport's Football Focus QPR have been found guilty on two counts but will not be deducted any points.
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Confirmed on the FA website

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Well thats it then - looks like they have made a president for themselves and now anyone can do what QPR have done and get away with it.

They have no comeback now so might as well scrap the rule.
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they'll have to keep a special rule just for Leeds utd! :?
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i knew nothing would happen slap on the wrist it is
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mchldavies7 wrote:they'll have to keep a special rule just for Leeds utd! :?
Always an exception - and we'll be it!

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