Brian Must Go!!

[weasel]

So if money spent is key to our success how come are Burnley & Derby in the top four playing decent football both clubs haven't splashed millions but they are managed well on similar resources

Why do lower level teams play their football on the floor as oppose to our lot who continually hoof the ball ?

Why does BM persevere with certain players who perform badly week in week out ?

Why sign players who are no better than we already have in the squad ?

Why sign two wingers & then play Ross upfront on his own ?

Why are our players incapable of playing a simple pass ?

Why do we barely create a chance or have a shot on target in many games ?

A) Burnley recently spent £500k on the striker from Brighton as Leeds couldn't afford him. As a recent premiership side they still have some players that got them promoted and played in the prem. They also had the money from being in the prem and the parachute payments. Derby have spent upwards of £1.5m this season. Why compare just those 2 though as there are plenty of teams below us that have spent more than us.

B) Not all lower league teams play great passing football. If they did play this great football every week they wouldn't still be in the lower leagues. Yes some lower league teams play some nice football, they can do it as there is less pressure to succeed, less clamour for instant results and a bit more realism amongst their fans. Rochdale played well against us in the cup, it was the high point of all their player's footballing careers and they were up for it. We weren't. Simple really and the case why there are so many cup shocks. Was our league 1 side better than the champions of England? A large reason why we play hoof ball is that a lot of the players at the club were brought in by the previous short term manager who wanted players who could play that way. Kenny, Pearce, Peltier, Warnock and Austin were all brought in by NW. B Mc has attempted to address the problem but the 2 defenders he has brought in have not been a succcess yet. Zaliukas seemed to be a good signing but has seemingly disappeared after 2 catastrophic appearances. Wootton looks like he likes to play football a bit more but has to judge when to pass and when to hoof, and also needs players moving to take passes from him.

C) He has tried the alternatives. Pugh came in for Warnock for a while. Murphy, Mowatt and Austin have all been replaced at times by the likes of Brown and Tonge. The alternatives in the squad aren't great. Just because someone is not selected doesn't somehw turn them into a better player.

D) When you are reliant on freebies and loanees it is going to be hard to vastly improve the team. He is also in general going down the potential route rather than wasting money on the 30 somethings with reputations. He wants hungry player who can get better. Wootton, Smith, Stewart and Murphy all have the potential to be good players but will not turn into superstars overnight. Yes Hunt hasn't been a great success so far but is the only real failure. Zaliukas looked decent until he signed -permanently.

E) He played Hunt last match alongside McCormack. He has also brought Smith on. He is tinkering with the formation due to the players he has and trying to find one that works.

F) Confidence plays a huge part. I run a Sunday League side. Every Tuesday we train on the astro turf and look like world beaters (myself excluded). On Sundays at times we struggle to put two passes together. Today for half an hour we were awful. Then we got a goal and started to play good football. Won the game 4-0 and it could have been a lot more. It is amazing how much confidence affects players. That is why the crowd needs to be the 12th man, to support the players and give them the confidence and belief. No matter how good a side is some matches it just doesn't happen.

G) Some games are like that especially when neither team over commits. Often a game only opens up after a goal is scored so the longer the game goes without a goal the more it can stagnate. It is far easier to lose a game in the first 5 minutes than it is to win a game.

[weasel]

So are those who are saying we shouldn't be chopping and changing our managers also saying we should have stuck with Warnock?...

again just a question not an accusation,

I think Gessa and I are his longest detractors, gessa has finally had enough and I'm ok with that, but I don't think it helps getting rid now. Give him 5 mill in the summer and till christmas to get us into the playoff zone...

I think the huge difference with Warnock was his ego, his bullshit and the knowledge he was only here short term and didn't give a crap about the club.

B Mc as a man is much more likeable and has already done a lot more to unite the club, making the academy and first team a closer bond. He is buying players for the long term and planning long term which will help the club. Yes the jury is out on his managerial ability but let him assemble his side in the summer - something he has not been able to do - and then judge him. This season he has been making do with a pool of players that no other clubs wanted and probably just 1 of the targets he wanted. The only player wanted was RMc and tbh most of us would have sold him. However B Mc seems to have brought the best out of him.

[1964white]

So are those who are saying we shouldn't be chopping and changing our managers also saying we should have stuck with Warnock?...

again just a question not an accusation,

I think Gessa and I are his longest detractors, gessa has finally had enough and I'm ok with that, but I don't think it helps getting rid now. Give him 5 mill in the summer and till christmas to get us into the playoff zone...

No mate there will be many excuses made for Brian because he is a nice man & Warnock was an arrogant tit, both are inept/clueless contrary of their personality

Personally I wouldn't trust him with 5 million

[1964white]

A) Burnley recently spent £500k on the striker from Brighton as Leeds couldn't afford him. As a recent premiership side they still have some players that got them promoted and played in the prem. They also had the money from being in the prem and the parachute payments. Derby have spent upwards of £1.5m this season. Why compare just those 2 though as there are plenty of teams below us that have spent more than us.

B) Not all lower league teams play great passing football. If they did play this great football every week they wouldn't still be in the lower leagues. Yes some lower league teams play some nice football, they can do it as there is less pressure to succeed, less clamour for instant results and a bit more realism amongst their fans. Rochdale played well against us in the cup, it was the high point of all their player's footballing careers and they were up for it. We weren't. Simple really and the case why there are so many cup shocks. Was our league 1 side better than the champions of England? A large reason why we play hoof ball is that a lot of the players at the club were brought in by the previous short term manager who wanted players who could play that way. Kenny, Pearce, Peltier, Warnock and Austin were all brought in by NW. B Mc has attempted to address the problem but the 2 defenders he has brought in have not been a succcess yet. Zaliukas seemed to be a good signing but has seemingly disappeared after 2 catastrophic appearances. Wootton looks like he likes to play football a bit more but has to judge when to pass and when to hoof, and also needs players moving to take passes from him.

C) He has tried the alternatives. Pugh came in for Warnock for a while. Murphy, Mowatt and Austin have all been replaced at times by the likes of Brown and Tonge. The alternatives in the squad aren't great. Just because someone is not selected doesn't somehw turn them into a better player.

D) When you are reliant on freebies and loanees it is going to be hard to vastly improve the team. He is also in general going down the potential route rather than wasting money on the 30 somethings with reputations. He wants hungry player who can get better. Wootton, Smith, Stewart and Murphy all have the potential to be good players but will not turn into superstars overnight. Yes Hunt hasn't been a great success so far but is the only real failure. Zaliukas looked decent until he signed -permanently.

E) He played Hunt last match alongside McCormack. He has also brought Smith on. He is tinkering with the formation due to the players he has and trying to find one that works.

F) Confidence plays a huge part. I run a Sunday League side. Every Tuesday we train on the astro turf and look like world beaters (myself excluded). On Sundays at times we struggle to put two passes together. Today for half an hour we were awful. Then we got a goal and started to play good football. Won the game 4-0 and it could have been a lot more. It is amazing how much confidence affects players. That is why the crowd needs to be the 12th man, to support the players and give them the confidence and belief. No matter how good a side is some matches it just doesn't happen.

G) Some games are like that especially when neither team over commits. Often a game only opens up after a goal is scored so the longer the game goes without a goal the more it can stagnate. It is far easier to lose a game in the first 5 minutes than it is to win a game.

How much did Murphy & Wootton cost combined ? not far off 2m I believe !

As far as the fans being the 12th man, those of us who attend games week in week out have been the extra man for the last ten years.It's only human that one can accept so much crap, 1000's of fans are sick of it. Our players are paid handsomely to perform at a decent level, they are expected to provide entertainment & play upto a certain standard, quite frankly that is not the case as it is one dire shocker after another. Boring our fans into into submission is not the answer, we deserve better than what has gone on since we were promoted to the championship, it is upto the players to raise their game not us downtrodden fans

And please everyone....don't retort with "you don't have to go" ......1000's did that after our two relegations !

[The Subhuman]

No mate there will be many excuses made for Brian because he is a nice man & Warnock was an arrogant tit, both are inept/clueless contrary of their personality

Personally I wouldn't trust him with 5 million

neither would I but I'm happy to let him spend it because BMC plus money is the key to success for most on here

[mav]

The squad had it guts ripped out for years, you can't rebuild that quickly on a tiny budget, yes he spent money on Murphy and Wooton, but with a view to having further funds to spend.

Not sure who could do well with what he has dealt with, but would like to see stability at the club, if we finish in the top half this year then I think that is more than most would have expected at the start of the year.

[weasel]

How much did Murphy & Wootton cost combined ? not far off 2m I believe !

As far as the fans being the 12th man, those of us who attend games week in week out have been the extra man for the last ten years.It's only human that one can accept so much crap, 1000's of fans are sick of it. Our players are paid handsomely to perform at a decent level, they are expected to provide entertainment & play upto a certain standard, quite frankly that is not the case as it is one dire shocker after another. Boring our fans into into submission is not the answer, we deserve better than what has gone on since we were promoted to the championship, it is upto the players to raise their game not us downtrodden fans

I believe Murphy was £1m and Wootton around £100k - £200k with several add ons. Murphy was the first signing and if B Mc had have known he only had £1m perhaps he'd have spent it differently to bring in more players. Murphy is a decent signing but needs players around him. How many other midfielders has B Mc been able to bring in? None until the recent loan wingers.

Your summation of the fans needing to raise their game to lift the crowd sums up modern football. What use is having a crowd if they only 'sing when we're winning'

Too often the crowd turns up expecting us to simply roll over a team. How can this be when nearly every team in this division has spent similar if not more than us. As such unless we get an early goal the crowd starts to get edgy, get on player's backs and makes it harder for the players. Just look at MU this season. Their fans have become so used to success they have forgotten how to lift the team. So now playing at home is harder for MU than playing away. Their fans are turning up and are negative from the start and are quickly on the player's backs.

We are not a brilliant side. We are a side clogged up with journeymen footballers on daft wages. Yes they are bein gpaid handsomely but it doesn't mean they can perform to levels above their ability. It is just that a lot of mediocre footballers get paid ridiculous wages. Skill comes second in many cases.

[weasel]

How much did Murphy & Wootton cost combined ? not far off 2m I believe !

As far as the fans being the 12th man, those of us who attend games week in week out have been the extra man for the last ten years.It's only human that one can accept so much crap, 1000's of fans are sick of it. Our players are paid handsomely to perform at a decent level, they are expected to provide entertainment & play upto a certain standard, quite frankly that is not the case as it is one dire shocker after another. Boring our fans into into submission is not the answer, we deserve better than what has gone on since we were promoted to the championship, it is upto the players to raise their game not us downtrodden fans

I believe Murphy was £1m and Wootton around £100k - £200k with several add ons. Murphy was the first signing and if B Mc had have known he only had £1m perhaps he'd have spent it differently to bring in more players. Murphy is a decent signing but needs players around him. How many other midfielders has B Mc been able to bring in? None until the recent loan wingers.

Your summation of the fans needing to raise their game to lift the crowd sums up modern football. What use is having a crowd if they only 'sing when we're winning'

Too often the crowd turns up expecting us to simply roll over a team. How can this be when nearly every team in this division has spent similar if not more than us. As such unless we get an early goal the crowd starts to get edgy, get on player's backs and makes it harder for the players. Just look at MU this season. Their fans have become so used to success they have forgotten how to lift the team. So now playing at home is harder for MU than playing away. Their fans are turning up and are negative from the start and are quickly on the player's backs.

We are not a brilliant side. We are a side clogged up with journeymen footballers on daft wages. Yes they are bein gpaid handsomely but it doesn't mean they can perform to levels above their ability. It is just that a lot of mediocre footballers get paid ridiculous wages. Skill comes second in many cases.

[mav]

I believe Murphy was £1m and Wootton around £100k - £200k with several add ons. Murphy was the first signing and if B Mc had have known he only had £1m perhaps he'd have spent it differently to bring in more players. Murphy is a decent signing but needs players around him. How many other midfielders has B Mc been able to bring in? None until the recent loan wingers.

Your summation of the fans needing to raise their game to lift the crowd sums up modern football. What use is having a crowd if they only 'sing when we're winning'

Too often the crowd turns up expecting us to simply roll over a team. How can this be when nearly every team in this division has spent similar if not more than us. As such unless we get an early goal the crowd starts to get edgy, get on player's backs and makes it harder for the players. Just look at MU this season. Their fans have become so used to success they have forgotten how to lift the team. So now playing at home is harder for MU than playing away. Their fans are turning up and are negative from the start and are quickly on the player's backs.

We are not a brilliant side. We are a side clogged up with journeymen footballers on daft wages. Yes they are bein gpaid handsomely but it doesn't mean they can perform to levels above their ability. It is just that a lot of mediocre footballers get paid ridiculous wages. Skill comes second in many cases.

this.

[ldsutd]

Building for the future my ass, name me one player he has brought in that could play in the premiership?

[Martyn]

Building for the future my ass, name me one player he has brought in that could play in the premiership?

Have you even the faintest idea what Premier League players cost?

The priority is to get out of the Championship.

[Gandalf]

Strange - I watched the game on TV, and could have been sure that we got a point away from home and kept a clean sheet. Obviously not.

I could give a long argument as to why McDermott should be backed, and allowed to complete his 3 year plan, but it is fairly obvious that Cellino (once in place) will give him the boot anyway - suffice to say that I agree with Weasel, GW, EYW etc.

[1964white]

I believe Murphy was £1m and Wootton around £100k - £200k with several add ons. Murphy was the first signing and if B Mc had have known he only had £1m perhaps he'd have spent it differently to bring in more players. Murphy is a decent signing but needs players around him. How many other midfielders has B Mc been able to bring in? None until the recent loan wingers.

Your summation of the fans needing to raise their game to lift the crowd sums up modern football. What use is having a crowd if they only 'sing when we're winning'

Too often the crowd turns up expecting us to simply roll over a team. How can this be when nearly every team in this division has spent similar if not more than us. As such unless we get an early goal the crowd starts to get edgy, get on player's backs and makes it harder for the players. Just look at MU this season. Their fans have become so used to success they have forgotten how to lift the team. So now playing at home is harder for MU than playing away. Their fans are turning up and are negative from the start and are quickly on the player's backs.

How do you know how our fans react when you don't attend games ?

Our away support is magnificent in adversity, generally when the opposition scores the next chant you hear is Marching On Together, we probably have the most vocal fans in the country especially at away games. It is time our club & the players gave the fans something in return as in my opinion the passion & effort is only one way thesedays
I certainly dont expect us to roll teams over, never have done !

Wootton cost 500k with add-ons

Sod Man U, the reason they are struggling is because Fergie retired

[Gurj]

I think we have to give Brian till the end of the season now and see how/where we end up. Like most, I have virtually written any hope of reaching play off spot of 6th as I just dont think we are anywhere near good enough.

I really like McDermott, and hope he turns things round but I have to say I am growing increasingly frustrated at him not saying how it is......to hear he's post match interview after Boro you would think we had played really well. It was awful viewing and so I wish he could have been honest and said that it was poor from both sides and that we need to improve immensly to have a prayer of reaching 6th. Instead it was " the boys put in a great shift " etc etc

Come on Brian, we are not stupid, dont treat us like idiots please.

[1964white]

this.

But THIS is untrue

Our fans at the grounds are the most vocal/supportive fans in the country apart from VLR of course

Carry on all knocking the paying fans.....unbelievable !

[1964white]

I think we have to give Brian till the end of the season now and see how/where we end up. Like most, I have virtually written any hope of reaching play off spot of 6th as I just dont think we are anywhere near good enough.

I really like McDermott, and hope he turns things round but I have to say I am growing increasingly frustrated at him not saying how it is......to hear he's post match interview after Boro you would think we had played really well. It was awful viewing and so I wish he could have been honest and said that it was poor from both sides and that we need to improve immensly to have a prayer of reaching 6th. Instead it was " the boys put in a great shift " etc etc

Come on Brian, we are not stupid, dont treat us like idiots please.

BM is like all managers, they talk a good game & paint a completely different picture to what us fans see at games. His interviews have become tiresome !

The championship is a very poor league tbh, the majority of the teams we play are ordinary, we really should have enough to compete if we applied ourselves.

On paper Burnley & Derby both in the top four haven't got stars in their teams but their respective managers obviously motivate & get the best out of their players they have at their disposal

[1964white]

Strange - I watched the game on TV, and could have been sure that we got a point away from home and kept a clean sheet. Obviously not.

I could give a long argument as to why McDermott should be backed, and allowed to complete his 3 year plan, but it is fairly obvious that Cellino (once in place) will give him the boot anyway - suffice to say that I agree with Weasel, GW, EYW etc.

A point away from home is always a good point

How many times did we have a shot on target at Boro?

That game must have really enthralled the Sky audiences

[theleedsmango]

As far as the fans being the 12th man, those of us who attend games week in week out have been the extra man for the last ten years.It's only human that one can accept so much crap, 1000's of fans are sick of it. Our players are paid handsomely to perform at a decent level, they are expected to provide entertainment & play upto a certain standard, quite frankly that is not the case as it is one dire shocker after another. Boring our fans into into submission is not the answer, we deserve better than what has gone on since we were promoted to the championship, it is upto the players to raise their game not us downtrodden fans

And please everyone....don't retort with "you don't have to go" ......1000's did that after our two relegations !

They are not paid handsomely. They are average players getting paid an average wage with respect to this league. Hence we are in an average position.

Your argument at the end is valid though "it is up to the players to raise their game"... so would you stand by this, bearing in mind that the topic is about our manager not doing well enough? Is it fair to say, with the players Brian has brought in, we should be doing a lot better if they raised their game?!

To be honest, I think people are just hoping for that often-sought-after remedy of the new manager effect to bump us up towards the playoffs. One a list of people that 'must go' from the current club set up, Brian wouldn't be near the top of the list. He stuck by the club and was the fans only hope during an absolute terror of a week and more than most managers, understands what a football club is, and most importantly, what Leeds is about.

I surmise that the same people who are begging for a big named, flamboyant manager and a sugar daddy owner for our club are also moaning about modern football and the negative effect QPR and Leicester etc are having on football.

[The Subhuman]

I think we have to give Brian till the end of the season now and see how/where we end up. Like most, I have virtually written any hope of reaching play off spot of 6th as I just dont think we are anywhere near good enough.

I really like McDermott, and hope he turns things round but I have to say I am growing increasingly frustrated at him not saying how it is......to hear he's post match interview after Boro you would think we had played really well. It was awful viewing and so I wish he could have been honest and said that it was poor from both sides and that we need to improve immensly to have a prayer of reaching 6th. Instead it was " the boys put in a great shift " etc etc

Come on Brian, we are not stupid, dont treat us like idiots please.

Can I ask what you like about him..what he does well?

[ldsutd]

Have you even the faintest idea what Premier League players cost?

The priority is to get out of the Championship.

yes i do know how much prem players cost. Surely premiership is our future so why do people keep sticking up for McDermott by saying he is buying for the future so that means the likes of Murphy and Wooton are premiership players. NO THERE NOT they are championship players on there good day. Unless our future to which McDermott refers to is another 3 seasons in the championship because that's what contract they are signed up for.