Brian Must Go!!

[hibbi86]

I think people may have miss understood why i listed the players + values of all warnocks signings, im not judging the quality of the players or their performances I was disagreeing with the earlier comment of

Gotta say though we are 7 points off playoff's and in 11th (albeit with a game in hand over some clubs) Colin had us in 12th and 8 points behind when he quit. I expected Brian to surpass that, if things are looking the same on the 1st April then he's failed, because let's be fair Brian has spent money, where as Colin had a shoestring instead of a warchest.

more importantly i was trying to show how the statement in bold is not accurate,

[Ricb76]

I think people may have miss understood why i listed the players + values of all warnocks signings, im not judging the quality of the players or their performances I was disagreeing with the earlier comment of
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more importantly i was trying to show how the statement in bold is not accurate,

Actually my statement isn't inaccurate net spend by McDermott exceeds Warnocks by at least a couple of million and that's with out taking into account loan signings. To be clear Warnock had to sell to buy, McDermott has been relatively well supported by the board in comparison. I had the above figures at hand when I made my initial post.

[hibbi86]

Actually my statement isn't inaccurate net spend by McDermott exceeds Warnocks by at least a couple of million and that's with out taking into account loan signings. To be clear Warnock had to sell to buy, McDermott has been relatively well supported by the board in comparison. I had the above figures at hand when I made my initial post.

Would love to see how youve worked this one out, did you include the fee received for Snoddy in your figures

[Ricb76]

Would love to see how youve worked this one out, did you include the fee received for Snoddy in your figures

I took the figures from transfermarkt for the season 12/13, can I link the site? Anyway I feel we are getting away from the point I made here, which was I like Brian but I feel to this point he's underachieved. Still have some faith in him but the rose tinted glasses have been removed.

[Martyn]

I took the figures from transfermarkt for the season 12/13, can I link the site? Anyway I feel we are getting away from the point I made here, which was I like Brian but I feel to this point he's underachieved. Still have some faith in him but the rose tinted glasses have been removed.

Here is the link, but I am rather suspicious of the figures, e.g. Rio Ferdinand's transfer to scum is quoted as £40,480,000. Don't believe it.

[USA LEE]

Time for Brian to shine ! just need a playmaker midfield - what about Stephen Ireland ? worth a punt. Lets see should be interesting.

[weasel]

I think in fairness a lot of the players were brought in pre-Grayson and I doubt it was Wise & Poyet that were making the decisions. Bates for all the other problems was the one who signed Beckford as Blackwell didn't want him and Wise & Poyet loaned him out during our relegation season. You can add to that list Becchio and Snodgrass who were brought in by the scouting regime at the time (albeit the same brought in the likes of Kandol, DaCosta, Sorsa etc too).

Would those successes though have been successes had they been brought in by us when we were a championship side. They had 3 years to develop with the club in league 1. 3 years in which to have bad games and be written off by fans but bounce back.

A lot of the signings then were gambles. The same can be said about most of BMc's signings and it will take time, and we are talking years not months, to see if they were good signings. By contrast NW bought in mainly the avergae journeymen players with no real potential to get better. Of the younger players 1) Morrison was an awful signing - when we could have got £2m+ for Bechhio instead of this awful swap 2) Hall was awful and as a player that Warnock had worked with before it staggers belief that he bought him 3) Austin has a bit of ability but it would tend to be seen now as lucky or law of averages if a shot or pass finds its target 4) Peltier - If NW had have bothered to look at the youth set-up he could have saved £900k which could have been used much better elsewhere. If you have a limited budget you do not blow £900k on a rightback. This is a position where a free transfer journeyman, or even a player out of position can fill in for a season - as shown by Andy Hughes 5) Pearce - looked good at first under NW then left to rot. Rejuvenated under BMC and know looking like a reasonable player.

[weasel]

Here is the link, but I am rather suspicious of the figures, e.g. Rio Ferdinand's transfer to scum is quoted as £40,480,000. Don't believe it.

Extremely unreliable as has Ryan Hall signing this season. Lists Clayton's sale as £880k whereas it was around £500k (and he was sold to fund the Kenny signing).

Warnock sold received £500k for Clayton, £100k for Lonerghan and £100k for Becchio. That is all - total £700k

Spent more than that jut on Peltier.

Why not juust consider the fact that he gave Becchio away for £100k and it will have cost us more than that £100k in wages just to have Morisson playing at Millwall.

[Dickinson19]

I'm new to this forum and only posted 2 times before... Strong opinion on this though and it's that BMD should retain his post for next season and for a considerable time. We need stability as a club from the top through to the kit man! Granted performances haven't been good this season however we are, weather people don't think we will or won't, we are still in the play off contentions. Summer market and more time to bond. I'm looking forward to next season already

[woodfordwhites]

I'm new to this forum and only posted 2 times before... Strong opinion on this though and it's that BMD should retain his post for next season and for a considerable time. We need stability as a club from the top through to the kit man! Granted performances haven't been good this season however we are, weather people don't think we will or won't, we are still in the play off contentions. Summer market and more time to bond. I'm looking forward to next season already

lot of rubbish being said around lately.brian must go is one of them he`s the best we have had in years

[jindy30]

i don't know why i read this thread?

[1964white]

lot of rubbish being said around lately.brian must go is one of them he`s the best we have had in years

If only if he would dump Austin though

[lufc1304]

If only if he would dump Austin though

I'm with you on this one, Leon, Austin is League 1 standard at best. A Michael Brown with 10 years left in his legs would be ideal but, given that he hasn't, I might be inclined to play big Z in that holding role. I like BMD and think he deserves time, but he needs to stop pandering to the fans and make the tough calls. Austin is sh*te, get rid!

[1964white]

I'm with you on this one, Leon, Austin is League 1 standard at best. A Michael Brown with 10 years left in his legs would be ideal but, given that he hasn't, I might be inclined to play big Z in that holding role. I like BMD and think he deserves time, but he needs to stop pandering to the fans and make the tough calls. Austin is sh*te, get rid!

Really can't believe what McDermott & 1000's of our fans see in him

Awful footballer, as you say League One at best

[1964white]

I think you all witnessed today why McDermott won't be a top class manager

His team selection has been suspect all season.....once again he shows he has favourites

Lees in for Wootton who didn't deserved to be dropped

He has persisted with Austin (slightly better today) even though he put one shocker in after another

Zaliukas on the bench last week, not in the squad today

Perseveres with Stewart who has been totally ineffective

And saving his best for last

How can he make substitutions & leave daddy longlegs Kebe on the pitch....one decent game in about 6 now, today he was abysmally woeful

Great managers don't make so many blunders which is clearly apparent to a layman
watching from the stands or his telly

[Drs.Dad]

I think you all witnessed today why McDermott won't be a top class manager

His team selection has been suspect all season.....once again he shows he has favourites

Lees in for Wootton who didn't deserved to be dropped

He has persisted with Austin (slightly better today) even though he put one shocker in after another

Zaliukas on the bench last week, not in the squad today

Preserves with Stewart who has been totally ineffective

And saving his best for last

How can he make substitutions & leave daddy longlegs Kebe on the pitch....one decent game in about 6 now, today he was abysmally woeful

Great managers don't make so many blunders which is clearly apparent to a layman
watching from the stands or his telly

That makes him a jammy player then, Leon?

[1964white]

That makes him a jammy player then, Leon?

Good spot DD

[theleedsmango]

I think you all witnessed today why McDermott won't be a top class manager

His team selection has been suspect all season.....once again he shows he has favourites

Lees in for Wootton who didn't deserved to be dropped

He has persisted with Austin (slightly better today) even though he put one shocker in after another

Zaliukas on the bench last week, not in the squad today

Perseveres with Stewart who has been totally ineffective

And saving his best for last

How can he make substitutions & leave daddy longlegs Kebe on the pitch....one decent game in about 6 now, today he was abysmally woeful

Great managers don't make so many blunders which is clearly apparent to a layman
watching from the stands or his telly

Lees was out of the squad last week for personal reasons. While I'm not his biggest fan, indeed I prefer both Zaliukas and Wootton to him, he hasn't done much wrong, and to lose his place in a starting 11 due to personal reasons, would not induce a healthy competitive culture.

If anything, we've recently realised the effect of money on Brian's signings. Pre-Cellino we got Stewart and Kebe. Post-Cellino we got Wickham and Butland. If Cellino had have came in before the Jan window, I highly doubt Kebe and Stewart would be here.

Positives
Bar Sheffield Wednesday's freak result, we aren't a team that is going to lose by 3 or 4 goals. We've been conceding one at most in the majority of games, looking a lot more solid than we've been in the last number of seasons. Look at the rest of the results in the Championship, tight, some-might-say-boring, games aren't too common.

We've got the leagues highest goalscorer, second to only Suarez in the whole football league. We've also now got a genuine, class strike partner beside him.

We've lacked a bit of quality and that ability to take our chances that have seen us narrowly fall short of being able to beat the top teams in this league QPR and Leicester. This bodes well for the building of the squad for next season; the season that most realistic fans realised we are aiming for. If the players learn to play together and grow in confidence from these results, next year we will take those chances.

We are now only two or three players short of a promotion winning squad, if we factor in the possibility of signing Wickham and Butland. We are losing a lot of dead wood in the summer and look to have money, a quality centre mid and wingers and we could be a great team.

It's easy to jump in after a bad result (although a 1-1 draw away at QPR is a bloody decent result given our squad) and look at what Brian should have done. Long term, he's our man until the long term results prove otherwise.

[1964white]

Lees was out of the squad last week for personal reasons. While I'm not his biggest fan, indeed I prefer both Zaliukas and Wootton to him, he hasn't done much wrong, and to lose his place in a starting 11 due to personal reasons, would not induce a healthy competitive culture.

If anything, we've recently realised the effect of money on Brian's signings. Pre-Cellino we got Stewart and Kebe. Post-Cellino we got Wickham and Butland. If Cellino had have came in before the Jan window, I highly doubt Kebe and Stewart would be here.

Positives
Bar Sheffield Wednesday's freak result, we aren't a team that is going to lose by 3 or 4 goals. We've been conceding one at most in the majority of games, looking a lot more solid than we've been in the last number of seasons. Look at the rest of the results in the Championship, tight, some-might-say-boring, games aren't too common.

We've got the leagues highest goalscorer, second to only Suarez in the whole football league. We've also now got a genuine, class strike partner beside him.

We've lacked a bit of quality and that ability to take our chances that have seen us narrowly fall short of being able to beat the top teams in this league QPR and Leicester. This bodes well for the building of the squad for next season; the season that most realistic fans realised we are aiming for. If the players learn to play together and grow in confidence from these results, next year we will take those chances.

We are now only two or three players short of a promotion winning squad, if we factor in the possibility of signing Wickham and Butland. We are losing a lot of dead wood in the summer and look to have money, a quality centre mid and wingers and we could be a great team.

It's easy to jump in after a bad result (although a 1-1 draw away at QPR is a bloody decent result given our squad) and look at what Brian should have done. Long term, he's our man until the long term results prove otherwise.

Some good points Mango

I did say "TOP CLASS MANAGER" surely an accolade you couldn't attribute to Brian now or even in the future

[paddy parrott]

Yes i could not agree more with you leedsmango results are what they are and when all is by end let`s see Brian mc `s record give him a fair crack. For me two seasons is what he deserves at least although recently a day at a time seems to what it `s going to be. I mean last year only gone we trifled with the drop zone leat we forget.