Are Hay and Pope the Problem?

[Cjay]

Disagree...Messi is the Argentinian Alioski

Yes!!!!

[Clive]

You really are something else Clive

Who the hell is swearing at you ?

Who has threatened you ?

And as for people ridiculing you the saying “the pot calling the kettle black.” comes to mind

I'm not complaining about it by the way, just don't come at me with double standards.

[1964white]

I'm not complaining about it by the way, just don't come at me with double standards.

What double standards ?

[Clive]

What double standards ?

What poor tactics and formations?

[Richard]

See, you agree with my opinion, but instead of backing me up you made me out to be an arrogant tosspot.

People will now pay more attention to that than you agreeing with me, because it fits their agenda.

Define agreeing with you?

You never mentioned Whelan, I dislike Hay and Pope but I think the average adult Leeds fan makes their own mind up with what they see themselves, not what they see Hay or Pope reporting.

How did my post make you seem an arrogant tosspot? I was offering friendly advice, I said “your style of posting” you might wish to take it on board or totally ignore it, no skin off my nose Mr Angry

[Clive]

Define agreeing with you?

You never mentioned Whelan, I dislike Hay and Pope but I think the average adult Leeds fan makes their own mind up with what they see themselves, not what they see Hay or Pope reporting.

How did my post make you seem an arrogant tosspot? I was offering friendly advice, I said “your style of posting” you might wish to take it on board or totally ignore it, no skin off my nose Mr Angry

So the media has no influence on people?

I'll totally ignore it, thanks.

[1964white]

You're seeing what you want to see.

You shouldn't be a mod when you're like that.

What right have you got to come out with a comment like that, you've only been on here five minutes.

I'm trying to watch something on TV with my wife but I'm having to keep an eye on you.

I've just seen the swear comment, you even drive ladies resorting to swearing with your aggressive nature

Now then calm it so I can log off & have a bit of quality home time

[Richard]

So the media has no influence on people?

I'll totally ignore it, thanks.

The media on people or Hay and Pope on fellow Leeds fans?

I watched our last two games and I felt we were shocking, I don’t care what anyone else thinks, I think the coach got it wrong, I think the players are average at best.

Does the media (correction Hay and Pope) influence your opinion? It doesn’t mine, I know it won’t you so that is 100% NO so far

[Clive]

What right have you got to come out with a comment like that, you've only been on here five minutes.

I'm trying to watch something on TV with my wife but I'm having to keep an eye on you.

I've just seen the swear comment, you even drive ladies resorting to swearing with your aggressive nature

Now then calm it so I can log off & have a bit of quality home time

I was calm when Thomas Christiansen was manager.

"I fell out with the wife last night, she wouldn't stop talking when I was trying to watch that thing with Robbie Coltrane."

"Cracker?"

"No, but I gave her a good talking to."

[YorkshireSquare]

We've already got a couple threatening to leave because they don't like my opinions.

This happened on other forums and the weak mods bowed to their threats and banned me even though I'd done nothing wrong.

Those forums are dead now.

You have obviously read the forum before joining so you know what it’s like, you know what to expect. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and that is respected here, we respect each other on here. So if you turn up being brusque don’t be surprised when people take exception to it.

[Clive]

The media on people or Hay and Pope on fellow Leeds fans?

I watched our last two games and I felt we were shocking, I don’t care what anyone else thinks, I think the coach got it wrong, I think the players are average at best.

Does the media (correction Hay and Pope) influence your opinion? It doesn’t mine, I know it won’t you so that is 100% NO so far

Well Hay made a big article running down the quality of the squad to justify Heckingbottom's poor results and performances.

Why did people protest against the sacking of McDermott? Did they enjoy getting hammered every week or is it because they were stirred up by Hay and Pope?

[Richard]

Well Hay made a big article running down the quality of the squad to justify Heckingbottom's poor results and performances.

Why did people protest against the sacking of McDermott? Did they enjoy getting hammered every week or is it because they were stirred up by Hay and Pope?

I was glad McD went, nice guy but not up to the task. Personally I feel the protest was more towards Cellino who ran us like a pub team he made us a laughing stock but at the time we needed his money.

I think Orta has made some terrible signings, that includes backroom staff like the set piece coach and the farcical signing of all these Spanish U23 year olds and the Japanese guy out on loan who will never pull on a Leeds shirt.

I think PH is another poor appointment by Orta but we won’t get anyone out the top drawer as they refuse to work under a DOF. Thomas was a stupid appointment but I’d still rather have kept him than PH

What sacking TC has done is proved that the problem is the quality of signings, or lack of.

I like Rads, he is slowly undoing the years of damage caused by Bates, GFH and Cellino. I’m hoping he reconsiders this DOF and coach approach, if not expect more of the same next season.

[Richard]

Well Hay made a big article running down the quality of the squad to justify Heckingbottom's poor results and performances.

Why did people protest against the sacking of McDermott? Did they enjoy getting hammered every week or is it because they were stirred up by Hay and Pope?

I was glad McD went, nice guy but not up to the task. Personally I feel the protest was more towards Cellino who ran us like a pub team he made us a laughing stock but at the time we needed his money.

I think Orta has made some terrible signings, that includes backroom staff like the set piece coach and the farcical signing of all these Spanish U23 year olds and the Japanese guy out on loan who will never pull on a Leeds shirt.

I think PH is another poor appointment by Orta but we won’t get anyone out the top drawer as they refuse to work under a DOF. Thomas was a stupid appointment but I’d still rather have kept him than PH

What sacking TC has done is proved that the problem is the quality of signings, or lack of as we’re probably worse now under PH

I like Rads, he is slowly undoing the years of damage caused by Bates, GFH and Cellino. I’m hoping he reconsiders this DOF and coach approach, if not expect more of the same next season.

[Clive]

You have obviously read the forum before joining so you know what it’s like, you know what to expect. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and that is respected here, we respect each other on here. So if you turn up being brusque don’t be surprised when people take exception to it.

What's your definition of respecting an opinion? Agreeing with it? Not agreeing with it, but not being so disrespectful as to argue against it?

[Clive]

I was glad McD went, nice guy but not up to the task. Personally I feel the protest was more towards Cellino who ran us like a pub team he made us a laughing stock but at the time we needed his money.

I think Orta has made some terrible signings, that includes backroom staff like the set piece coach and the farcical signing of all these Spanish U23 year olds and the Japanese guy out on loan who will never pull on a Leeds shirt.

I think PH is another poor appointment by Orta but we won’t get anyone out the top drawer as they refuse to work under a DOF. Thomas was a stupid appointment but I’d still rather have kept him than PH

What sacking TC has done is proved that the problem is the quality of signings, or lack of as we’re probably worse now under PH

I like Rads, he is slowly undoing the years of damage caused by Bates, GFH and Cellino. I’m hoping he reconsiders this DOF and coach approach, if not expect more of the same next season.

So you're one of these people who thinks the owner is simply naive and the nasty Orta is taking him for a ride and is responsible for all the bad decisions?

[YorkshireSquare]

What's your definition of respecting an opinion? Agreeing with it? Not agreeing with it, but not being so disrespectful as to argue against it?

Agree with it or not, we dont all agree with each other, just try not to come accross as an arse.

[Cjay]

Redfearn is absolute poison.

Have you read what Warnock said about him in his autobiography?

He stabbed Darko in the back to get the manager's job and then basically hijacked the club.

I think it was Redfearn who first started to raise doubts about Orta and created the negativity that derailed our season.

Hay and Pope talked him up when he was manager.

No i havent you know my opinion on Neil Warnock.

Darko is an odd one, barely here but the man is incredibly successful. Probably one who should have had more time.

In fairness i to have doubts about Orta, hige screaming doubts.

But Redfearn was a poor manager, very poor and not a great judge of a player. So always felt while he is entitled to his opinion like us all he shouldn't just come out and be critical which is all he ever did.

Whether he is bitter about his exit i dont know but it certainly seemed that way.

[Cjay]

So you're one of these people who thinks the owner is simply naive and the nasty Orta is taking him for a ride and is responsible for all the bad decisions?

Faults on both sides, cant blame Orta without blaming Radz because Radz is his boss.

But Orta is responsible for recruiting he is responsible for the squad he is the one who signed the players so he is responsible for the squad not being good enough.

Which is something Radz finally admitted yesterday on twitter.

[YorkshireSquare]

Faults on both sides, cant blame Orta without blaming Radz because Radz is his boss.

But Orta is responsible for recruiting he is responsible for the squad he is the one who signed the players so he is responsible for the squad not being good enough.

Which is something Radz finally admitted yesterday on twitter.

Despite Radz experience in the industry he is clearly still an inexperience club owner. He has made many good business decisions and some poor football decisions. Orta has to take a lot of the blame because despite us spending a significant (For us) amount of money we still have a poor squad.

[Richard]

So you're one of these people who thinks the owner is simply naive and the nasty Orta is taking him for a ride and is responsible for all the bad decisions?

Orta has made the signings, I think the majority of the signings are poor

Rads has put his hand in his pocket, I’ve no complaints on expenditure

No I don’t believe Rads is naive so I expect him to sack Orta before next season begins