The final straw for Kiko Casilla, time to hand Illan Meslier the gloves

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The final straw for Kiko Casilla, time to hand Illan Meslier the gloves

Post by YorkshireSquare » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:40 pm



It’s fair to say that Kiko Casilla had a lot to live up when he signed from Real Madrid. But last season did not end so well for the Spanish keeper, Leeds fans fingers were bitten down to the bone on several occasions. His tendency to come rushing out of his goal whenever the ball goes into his box left Leeds fans with their hearts in their mouths. The confusion between Liam Cooper and Casilla which saw Jack Marriott equalise for Derby in the play-off semi-final lead to confidence between the defence and keeper being lost and a crazy 45 minutes of football which ultimately saw Leeds United lose their chance of promotion.

This summer there were question marks over his future at Leeds, and at £35k a week was he too much of a gamble for the club? But Casilla made his intention to stay clear and with the departure of Bailey Peacock-Farrell to Burnley his position as the man between the sticks for Leeds United was secured. Casilla did not want to be defined by the Derby game and despite a heart stopping charge from his line against Bristol his performances at the start of the campaign were good. He put in a commanding performance against Wigan making several excellent saves and claims from set pieces, his shot stopping and decision making kept us in several games early on this season.





But it’s all changed, since being charged by the FA with racially abusing Charlton Athletic's Jonathan Leko, a charge he denies, Casilla is a shadow of the player he was earlier in the season. During Leeds United’s poor run of results they have still been dominating possession and creating chances, the two differences are that they are not converting their chances and they are conceding soft goals. A shot at the near post that should have been saved, a corner flying straight in, a miscontrolled back pass. Casilla is letting in goals he should be saving, an often from the oppositions first shot on target in a game.

Play as well as you can going forward, but if you are always having to come back from an early goal it must be demoralising. Leeds were on top yet again in the early exchanges against Brentford but a goal against the run of play, a goal which should never have been rattled them. For a few minutes after then were on the back foot until composure was regained and Cooper grabbed the equaliser. Now is the time for leaders, but Casilla is not showing any leadership. How can the rest of the team play with confidence if there is a liability behind the sticks? My heart is in my mouth watching Casilla, god knows how Ben White and Liam Cooper feel!

With confidence lost in Casilla, Tuesday night has to be the final straw. The time is right to make the change. A change Bielsa has made before when bringing Casilla himself in to replace Bailey Peacock-Farrell at a similar stage last season. Illan Meslier looked assured against Arsenal, it’s time to hand him the gloves. For all of our sakes, but especially Kiko Casilla.
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Post by danhirons » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:42 pm

another shambles of a signing by orta, systematically downgrading our squad

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Post by SG90 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:53 pm

Not a chance. We could lose 50-0 and we would still see the same team next match.
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Post by weasel » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:04 pm

Tonight's mistake is different as it isn't a goalkeeping error as such just an error. Whilst this may confuse some let me clarify what I mean and this wasn't flapping at a corner, letting a shot slip through hands , coming out and missing the ball etc this was just a slip, same as can happen all over the pitch when a player miscontrols the ball. Kiko showed just a couple of minutes before that why he is the type of keeper Bielsa wants as he read the danger, charged out and cleared the ball - if he didn't do that the Brentford player was clean through on goal.

It is a tricky situation for Bielsa and you have to wonder what Kiko's confidence is like. If Kiko is still confident in his own abilities then Bielsa should back him.
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Re: The final straw for Kiko Casilla, time to hand Illan Meslier the gloves

Post by danhirons » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:16 pm

weasel wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:04 pm
Tonight's mistake is different as it isn't a goalkeeping error as such just an error. Whilst this may confuse some let me clarify what I mean and this wasn't flapping at a corner, letting a shot slip through hands , coming out and missing the ball etc this was just a slip, same as can happen all over the pitch when a player miscontrols the ball. Kiko showed just a couple of minutes before that why he is the type of keeper Bielsa wants as he read the danger, charged out and cleared the ball - if he didn't do that the Brentford player was clean through on goal.

It is a tricky situation for Bielsa and you have to wonder what Kiko's confidence is like. If Kiko is still confident in his own abilities then Bielsa should back him.
ridiculous

and it wasn't a slip, he just wasn't paying attention and let the ball roll under his foot

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Re: The final straw for Kiko Casilla, time to hand Illan Meslier the gloves

Post by Chilli D » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:21 pm

danhirons wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:16 pm
ridiculous

and it wasn't a slip, he just wasn't paying attention and let the ball roll under his foot
It was actually both.
It rolled under his foot and then he slipped trying to retrieve the situation.

Meslier should be given his chance though.

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Post by faaip » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:25 pm

He's a sweeper keeper so it's a sweeper keeper error
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Post by danhirons » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:30 pm

Chilli D wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:21 pm
It was actually both.
It rolled under his foot and then he slipped trying to retrieve the situation.

Meslier should be given his chance though.
2 mistakes then! :lol:

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Post by Mick Jones shoulder » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:32 pm

Did say he has no confidence whatsoever. Keep playing him what's to lose apart from points. Though we were excellent tonight.

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Post by Irish Ian » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:39 pm

weasel wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:04 pm
Tonight's mistake is different as it isn't a goalkeeping error as such just an error. Whilst this may confuse some let me clarify what I mean and this wasn't flapping at a corner, letting a shot slip through hands , coming out and missing the ball etc this was just a slip, same as can happen all over the pitch when a player miscontrols the ball. Kiko showed just a couple of minutes before that why he is the type of keeper Bielsa wants as he read the danger, charged out and cleared the ball - if he didn't do that the Brentford player was clean through on goal.

It is a tricky situation for Bielsa and you have to wonder what Kiko's confidence is like. If Kiko is still confident in his own abilities then Bielsa should back him.
Weasel you have defended Kiko week after week but Kiko has handed the initiative to the opposition week after week now.
That ball was not going into the net, it was set up for him to pass it upfield, there was no pace on the ball.
Since Ipswich last season he has demonstrated that he is not to be trusted

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Count those points thrown away, try and imagine the effect it has on Ayling, Cooper, White, and whatever crock we decide ud this weeks LWB

Have I missed any points dropped? Probably.

Plus all the escapes where his rashness hasnt been punished.

Bielsa sidelined BFP in part because the Leeds defence has problems trusting BPF.
BFP didnt make half the mistakes this clampit has, and he was vilified on here.

I posted a vid last year cataloguing some of Kikos atrocities and I recall your reply that even De Gea even makes errors.

Maybe this is on a scale now that it is too difficukt to protect.

But I have just has a thought.

Maybe Bielsa likes Kiko and Bamford, as the lonely man ge undoubtably is, he connects with fellow Spanish speakers.
If true that is an issue that needs addressing.
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Post by Irish Ian » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:49 pm

And of course the other problem is that Meslier is a total unknown quantity.
In fact not having a seasoned back up keeper is another example of poor management.

Had a decent game v Arsenal but mainly because most of their chances went wide!

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MB. I dont think Kiko needs my words because I always support him with positions.
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Post by gessa » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:51 pm

Irish Ian wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:39 pm
Weasel you have defended Kiko week after week but Kiko has handed the initiative to the opposition week after week now.
That ball was not going into the net, it was set up for him to pass it upfield, there was no pace on the ball.
Since Ipswich last season he has demonstrated that he is not to be trusted

Ipswich
Derby

Cardiff
Wednesday
Forest
Brentford
Brum
WBA

Count those points thrown away, try and imagine the effect it has on Ayling, Cooper, White, and whatever crock we decide ud this weeks LWB

Have I missed any points dropped? Probably.

Plus all the escapes where his rashness hasnt been punished.

Bielsa sidelined BFP in part because the Leeds defence has problems trusting BPF.
BFP didnt make half the mistakes this clampit has, and he was vilified on here.

I posted a vid last year cataloguing some of Kikos atrocities and I recall your reply that even De Gea even makes errors.

Maybe this is on a scale now that it is too difficukt to protect.

But I have just has a thought.

Maybe Bielsa likes Kiko and Bamford, as the lonely man ge undoubtably is, he connects with fellow Spanish speakers.
If true that is an issue that needs addressing.

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Post by Irish Ian » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:01 pm

gessa wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:51 pm
Wigan
Thank you.

And Charlton.
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Irish Ian wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:39 pm
Weasel you have defended Kiko week after week but Kiko has handed the initiative to the opposition week after week now.
That ball was not going into the net, it was set up for him to pass it upfield, there was no pace on the ball.
Since Ipswich last season he has demonstrated that he is not to be trusted

Ipswich
Derby

Cardiff
Wednesday
Forest
Brentford
Brum
WBA

Count those points thrown away, try and imagine the effect it has on Ayling, Cooper, White, and whatever crock we decide ud this weeks LWB

Have I missed any points dropped? Probably.

Plus all the escapes where his rashness hasnt been punished.

Bielsa sidelined BFP in part because the Leeds defence has problems trusting BPF.
BFP didnt make half the mistakes this clampit has, and he was vilified on here.

I posted a vid last year cataloguing some of Kikos atrocities and I recall your reply that even De Gea even makes errors.

Maybe this is on a scale now that it is too difficukt to protect.

But I have just has a thought.

Maybe Bielsa likes Kiko and Bamford, as the lonely man ge undoubtably is, he connects with fellow Spanish speakers.
If true that is an issue that needs addressing.
I think this is a very fair post Ian.....

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Post by whiteswan » Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:25 am

Irish Ian wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:39 pm



BFP didnt make half the mistakes this clampit has, and he was vilified on here.

Certainly not by me I hasten to add! I supported him throughout, quite vociferously I might add....a young kid who should never have found himself chucked in at the deep end at Leeds United, who did his very best week in week out and with some fans at games disgracefully giving the kid a ridiculously hard time. With him in goal last year, we were top at Christmas.....then we got Kiko the clown. Say no more....and here we are talking about our 'clown' once again....

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Post by R0lferoo » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:07 am

Apartfrom kilo the clown,thought we were excellent tonight, big improvement JKA needs too be playing at least 1 half of the game hopefully this result will install some confidence

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Post by Baldbloke » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:10 am

This bloke has a possible ban looming over his head for an alleged racist insult. Would any of us want that hanging over our heads at work?
It’s obviously getting to him with it being dragged out for so long, he probably wants it all cleared up and as is so often the case once mistakes start to creep in they seem to snowball and every single mistake costs a goal or a flurry of abuse on social media forums.
He has cost us points but give the man a break, if we had players who actually score more goals than the opposition ( the whole point of football ) then he’d not be getting hammered so much by fans and pundits.
Stand Kiko down for a few games, let him sort his head out, get this tribunal put to bed and give the young lad a go in the nets so he can be abused and slagged off when he lets a goal in or makes a mistake so he can be shipped out like BPF was :roll: :roll:

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Baldbloke wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:10 am
This bloke has a possible ban looming over his head for an alleged racist insult. Would any of us want that hanging over our heads at work?
It’s obviously getting to him with it being dragged out for so long, he probably wants it all cleared up and as is so often the case once mistakes start to creep in they seem to snowball and every single mistake costs a goal or a flurry of abuse on social media forums.
He has cost us points but give the man a break, if we had players who actually score more goals than the opposition ( the whole point of football ) then he’d not be getting hammered so much by fans and pundits.
Stand Kiko down for a few games, let him sort his head out, get this tribunal put to bed and give the young lad a go in the nets so he can be abused and slagged off when he lets a goal in or makes a mistake so he can be shipped out like BPF was :roll: :roll:
Give it a rest! He had some great games after the Charlton one and he was making mistakes long before this hearing, not affecting him at all!

He could throw the ball into our goal next game and some fans would still be sticking up for him ffs!

Tbf, it's evident he's trying his best,
The annoying part is that bielsa keeps picking him!

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Post by weasel » Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:56 am

Baldbloke wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:10 am
This bloke has a possible ban looming over his head for an alleged racist insult. Would any of us want that hanging over our heads at work?
It’s obviously getting to him with it being dragged out for so long, he probably wants it all cleared up and as is so often the case once mistakes start to creep in they seem to snowball and every single mistake costs a goal or a flurry of abuse on social media forums.
He has cost us points but give the man a break, if we had players who actually score more goals than the opposition ( the whole point of football ) then he’d not be getting hammered so much by fans and pundits.
Stand Kiko down for a few games, let him sort his head out, get this tribunal put to bed and give the young lad a go in the nets so he can be abused and slagged off when he lets a goal in or makes a mistake so he can be shipped out like BPF was :roll: :roll:
A sensible post. I don't know if the potential ban has had any bearing but it is ridiculous that we are 3 months on from it and it hasn't been sorted and there is no excuse for the delay.

When we had our winning run he was in the man of the match running nearly every game and was the EFL player of the month. As a keeper it is the highs and lows, you stick your hand out and when things are going well the ball hits the hand, when things are going bad the ball runs under your foot and straight to an opposition player.

I made the point that his anticipation and reading of the game saved us a potential goal a couple of minutes before we conceded when he was quickly off his line to clear the ball when their striker was going to be clean through. That however is the live of a keeper in that everyone forgets the good things when an error is made. Every outfield player will make the same sort of mistake Kiko made every match, you take your eye off the ball for a second as you look up to see where you are going to pass it and suddenly it has gone under your foot or you miscontrol it. Like I said though it isn't a goalkeeping mistake, just a mistake.
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Post by danhirons » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:16 am

weasel wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:56 am
A sensible post. I don't know if the potential ban has had any bearing but it is ridiculous that we are 3 months on from it and it hasn't been sorted and there is no excuse for the delay.

When we had our winning run he was in the man of the match running nearly every game and was the EFL player of the month. As a keeper it is the highs and lows, you stick your hand out and when things are going well the ball hits the hand, when things are going bad the ball runs under your foot and straight to an opposition player.

I made the point that his anticipation and reading of the game saved us a potential goal a couple of minutes before we conceded when he was quickly off his line to clear the ball when their striker was going to be clean through. That however is the live of a keeper in that everyone forgets the good things when an error is made. Every outfield player will make the same sort of mistake Kiko made every match, you take your eye off the ball for a second as you look up to see where you are going to pass it and suddenly it has gone under your foot or you miscontrol it. Like I said though it isn't a goalkeeping mistake, just a mistake.
Pretty sure he's never been anywhere near championship player of the month so no idea where that's come from!

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