I was responding to Sara rather than your initial post.
Of course people shouldn't be organising mass snowball fights but I've tended to find younger people are more aware of the dangers and risks than many in the 65+ age bracket. I know families who have been very carefully shielding so that they can still see grandparents etc only to find that they have been in and out of their friends houses or getting lifts to the supermarket with their next door neighbours.
I'm not sure why that is the case. Perhaps they feel they have lived their lives and aren;t too concerned about the risks. Perhaps not being on the internet they dont get the 24x7 drip of news about the pandemic and therefore the doesn't feel so heightened for them.
CHAPELALLMAN wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:58 am I do think the govenment's handling of the borders during the crisis has been incompetent at best, and criminally negligent at worst. I was questioning why the government wasn't sealing the borders to covid hotspot countries back in early March last year.
We have ended up with a situation whereby police officers harrass members of the public sitting on their own on a park bench, and yet simultaneously we are happy to import the virus through people from abroad waltzing into the country without any checks at all. It's taken the best part of a year for the government to start demanding negative covid tests for people coming into the country.
So on the one hand Derbyshire police hand out fines to two women walking in a park, and on the other hand visitors from Brazil and South Africa for several days have been able to walk straight through border control with no questions asked.There's been an excuse from the government that the borders have been left wide open without checks so as to facilitate commerce, yet simultaneously most of the economy has been forcibly shut down by the government...Total ineptitude and madness, and I don't for one moment believe that comrade Corbyn would have handled the situation any better.
The contradiction of fining two people for having a socialy distanced walk round a reservoir whilst letting international travellers pour in through Heathrow or forcing people to get on a rammed tube everyday because of the incoherant message and lack of support packages is as you say incompetent at best.
The messaging is unclear, purposely so in my opinion so that they can actively blame the public for the spread rather than their inability to take decisive action.
Its started. No Jab, No Job. That geezer who owns Pimlico plumbing has got his solicitors now drawing up new employment contracts, saying he won't employ anyone who hasn't had a jab going forward.
YorkshireSquare wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:22 am
The contradiction of fining two people for having a socialy distanced walk round a reservoir whilst letting international travellers pour in through Heathrow or forcing people to get on a rammed tube everyday because of the incoherant message and lack of support packages is as you say incompetent at best.
The messaging is unclear, purposely so in my opinion so that they can actively blame the public for the spread rather than their inability to take decisive action.
Yes.
Arguing that 1500 households can mix in a high school safely, but two friends can't meet for a beer to watch the footy is frankly, insane.
I would just like to congratulate the Conservatives so far for the vaccination rollout. Oh and i thought the furlough scheme was a good generous idea although i didn't benefit from it. It still amazes me how many vulnerable people are still dying having been locked away in the house in some area's of the country for almost 12 months.
Leeds1000 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:47 am
I would just like to congratulate the Conservatives so far for the vaccination rollout. Oh and i thought the furlough scheme was a good generous idea although i didn't benefit from it. It still amazes me how many vulnerable people are still dying having been locked away in the house in some area's of the country for almost 12 months.
I think the vaccination rollout has been a big success so far - much better than in EU countries strangled by bureaucracy. France is a good example of paralysis through bureaucracy.
YorkshireSquare wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:19 am
I was responding to Sara rather than your initial post.
Of course people shouldn't be organising mass snowball fights but I've tended to find younger people are more aware of the dangers and risks than many in the 65+ age bracket. I know families who have been very carefully shielding so that they can still see grandparents etc only to find that they have been in and out of their friends houses or getting lifts to the supermarket with their next door neighbours.
I'm not sure why that is the case. Perhaps they feel they have lived their lives and aren;t too concerned about the risks. Perhaps not being on the internet they dont get the 24x7 drip of news about the pandemic and therefore the doesn't feel so heightened for them.
Anonymous wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:32 pm
I just think you've got a bee in your bonnet, and anyone who questions what you're saying is immediately dismissed as woke/ cancel culture/ snowflake/ corbyn. I wish you could see the irony.
Trying to characterise people's behaviour by groups is ignorant in the sense that you're ignoring the complexity of reasons and motives for why people do things. It's just lazy stereotyping, and invariably bullshit.
Well I don't think the butcher, baker and candlestick maker were present at Hyde Park when the thousands were thronging...
Ron Swanson wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:40 am
I think Labour would have handled things differently, and I'm no socialist at all.
They'd have gone full lockdown, for longer, and earlier.
Whether it would have saved any lives is a separate issue, that could be argued all day.
The economy is screwed anyway, so an extra % here or there wouldn't make much difference.
Not sure why you would think that to be honest. Mr Hindsight has offered nothing so far.
I think that from the start this pandemic should have been discussed across the parties. We could see what was coming as it made its way across Europe. It was not the time to be trying to score political points and it still isn't.
On another point, I don't see any shaming of young people but I do see warranted criticism of some of their actions.
I'm going back to 505, I saw them at Sheffield and they were amazing.
becchio bear wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:56 pm
Not sure why you would think that to be honest. Mr Hindsight has offered nothing so far.
I think that from the start this pandemic should have been discussed across the parties. We could see what was coming as it made its way across Europe. It was not the time to be trying to score political points and it still isn't.
On another point, I don't see any shaming of young people but I do see warranted criticism of some of their actions.
I'd agree that a more collaborative approach would have been preferable.
However, Mr Corbyn was leader at the time and would sooner drink a bucket of cold sick than be seen to be 'helping' the Tories. That is how a lot of the Labour membership would see it, very hardcore, some of them.
Chilli D wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:17 am
So I hear this morning that from today the over 70's are being offered the vaccine. My mum is 84 and still waiting for hers!
Some health regions are performing better than others mate.
Chilli D wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:17 am
So I hear this morning that from today the over 70's are being offered the vaccine. My mum is 84 and still waiting for hers!
My 90 year old folks in Wakey had theirs on Friday Chilli, but my 84 year old Mum in Law down here in Ipswich hasn't heard a thing yet.....
whiteswan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:38 am
My 90 year old folks in Wakey had theirs on Friday Chilli, but my 84 year old Mum in Law down here in Ipswich hasn't heard a thing yet.....
Probably because the scientists have not worked out how it will react with the mutated genes from that part of the world...
I mean, which part of the webbed feet do they stick the needle??
Hopelessly lost.................. But making good time
Chilli D wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:17 am
So I hear this morning that from today the over 70's are being offered the vaccine. My mum is 84 and still waiting for hers!
I'd imagine it depends on the area and even GP, my mum's carers are yet to have it. My mum in heart failure, kidney problems, vascular dementia, full body arthritis, hasn't had it at 81. My partners mum has had it at the age off 88 and perfectly healthy (can mow a third of an acre lawns and swim half a kilometre) though it looks like it'll be three months before jab 2
"A mind is like a parachute, it doesn't work if it's not open"
Fabulous...Our illustrious Premier has just made an announcement on the Radio that Alberta will, by the end of today or early Tuesday morning have no more vaccines to adminster.
We have completed 90,000 first dose but there will be no more available to adminster 1st doses... what we have and have coming in the next few weeks will have to go to those who have recieved the 1st dose....
phizer is reducing its world wide distribution between 20 & 80%...(small margin huh!)...to enable it to ramp up its European distribution ...
hector wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:14 pm
Probably because the scientists have not worked out how it will react with the mutated genes from that part of the world...
I mean, which part of the webbed feet do they stick the needle??
I do think the govenment's handling of the borders during the crisis has been incompetent at best, and criminally negligent at worst. I was questioning why the government wasn't sealing the borders to covid hotspot countries back in early March last year. 
