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Breakfast Debate The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thursday 20th May) - Elland Road capacity needs to be 50 to 60k to compete

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Good Morning. It's Thursday 20th May, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Elland Road needs to be 50,000 - 60,000 capacity to compete - Kinnear

Leeds United Chief Executive Angus Kinnear has been discussing the plans to redevelop Elland Road on the latest Phil Hay podcast. The plans for expansion were first announced two years ago, but little has been done so far. Kinnear explains why!

Everybody has agreed that what we have isn’t going to take us to where we want to go, so it’s a matter of when rather than if. If we look at the stadiums we need to benchmark ourselves against. We need to be between 50 and 60 thousand to be financially competitive with other world-class stadiums in the Premier League. We know we have the demand for that, we know that from our season ticket waiting lists, our hospitality waiting lists and we know that Leeds as a city can sustain a club at 50 to 60 thousand.

The location of the ground isn’t being looked at. We’re in a fantastic location right near the centre and we have a horseshoe of land around the ground we can expand into, which isn’t a luxury that lots of clubs have. The only challenging side is the Elland Road side where we back right onto the road, so to move that way is more challenging and it would also impact the café where I get my lunch.

The project works on a year-by-year basis where you build on top of one stand while people are still sitting in it and then you move them into the upper tier and complete the stand below, so it’s a process where you don’t lose capacity.

The visions that we’re seeing are really impressive, it’s something everyone in the city will be proud of and we’re getting a lot of support from the city council, but we’re still at the early stages because our first priority is to sustain Premier League status and then we can build on that.

Well, what we’ve been very conscious of is not promising things we’re not sure we can deliver on. Lots of clubs have brought out attractive virtual reality renders of their stadiums and then never delivered against them or delivered 10 or 20 years later. We want to come to the fanbase with a proper consultation with what they want, allow them to input into those designs and then deliver something with financing behind it. We’re not there yet, but the vision is there and the work is going on behind the scenes.

We are now told that the club are not looking to relocate from Elland Road! How can we compete with the Stadiums from Spurs and Arsenal? Leeds are in the fortunate position as being the only top flight club in Yorkshire now. Geographically that is massive for the club! It gives Leeds Utd a much bigger potential fan base than any other club in the Country?

Will they knock down ER, and start again - Surely not, that would make us homeless! It's not as if we can share with Bradford City for a season! Is it possible to develop Elland Road into one of the finest stadiums in Europe?





Whites to receive unexpected £26m windfall

Angus Kinnear also revealed that Leeds are set for a massive financial windfall from TV rights, on top of their guaranteed payments. It turns out that Leeds only budgeted for 16 main broadcast slots (minimum is 10). They have had 24, one less than Citeh, and two less than Liverpool. This will give the Whites an extra 20-26m that they were not expecting!

Because every game’s been on TV they split them between ones with a so-called facility fee and ones that are being broadcast because of Covid. Whenever we get put on TV the club secretary says ‘Does it come with a facility fee?’ because there’s a big difference. We have had 24 games on TV, we budgeted for 16 on the basis that the least attractive clubs get 10 and we thought we’d be above that.

To get 24… the last time I looked Man City were on 25 and Liverpool on 26, that’s right at the top in terms of box office. “It’s great from an exposure perspective and great from a financial perspective. It bodes well for next season too. We’ve put ourselves in the group of attractive matches. Leeds v Man United will get shown twice, Leeds v Arsenal will get shown twice, so it’s very helpful.

If you were given £20-26m, and had to spend it or lose it in 24 hours, how would you (personally) spend it?





Should he stay or should he go?

In his first season at Elland Road, it would be fair to say that record signing Rodrigo has not lived up to his price tag. The 30 yo has been dogged by injury, and when he has played, he sometimes has to play out of position. In the last few games, we have seen some magical moments from the Spanish International, and although he hasn't fulfilled his 30m fee, the class that he has shown have many fans envisaging that Rodrigo can be a long term stay for the club. Former crowd favourite (you know who you are) Noel Whelan was asked, following the Saints game whether Rodrigo is a better number nine or number 10. He replied...

The big decision we have got to make because tonight we saw a pass that was from a number 10. Two goals at the weekend we saw from a number 9 player. He himself says he is a number 10. I think he can play both. I think he is one of these players that is never going to stick up against a centre-half and play back to him, he is always going to come into that number 10 role.

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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thursday 20th May) ER needs to be 50,000 - 60,000 capacity to compete - Kinnear

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26 million 1 night to spend.....

I'd buy a brothel and brewery
then squander the rest...

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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thursday 20th May) ER needs to be 50,000 - 60,000 capacity to compete - Kinnear

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Rodrigo is a good player, he has not really had a chance this season, with injuries and Covid

he is now just clearing the aftermath of those, and his skill is showing through.... You don't become a Spainish international No9 by being average or crap.......

So he is definately a keeper..
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Elland Road needs to be 50,000 - 60,000 capacity to compete - Kinnear
Definately think we can fill a stadium with 60k, given all the reasons stated. I do not see a problem in the location remaing to be ER, the engineering capabilities in todays age can overcome any possible problems.

Whites to receive unexpected £26m windfall
On board with Hector a B&B :lol: ...the rest buy out Kiko

Should he stay or should he go?
A definate starter for us next year, the potential between him starting behind Paddy, with Raph and Jack on the wings is huge, I see a big surge in goals.
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The 26 million windfall could buy out Kiko and Augustin headaches and remove the 2 clouds over the club...
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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thursday 20th May) ER needs to be 50,000 - 60,000 capacity to compete - Kinnear

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hector wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:13 am
So he is definately a keeper..
Now I'm confused so Rodrigo can play three positions? If so he definitely has to stay :lol: :lol:
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Ratscoot wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 8:54 am Now I'm confused so Rodrigo can play three positions? If so he definitely has to stay :lol: :lol:
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£26m wow, thanks for that EB very generous! I’ll just bank it for now ta while I think of what to spend it on. When do you think it might be available?

I’ve warmed to Rodrigo over these last 3 games, had been unsure up till then but as other posters have said, he must be decent if he’s a Spanish international. I’m sure he’ll come into his own next season so keep him for me.
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it would be fair to say that record signing Rodrigo has not lived up to his price tag
No it wouldn't.
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Stadium

Please dear god don't knock anything down. The more of our sacred ground we preserve the better and I think the higher ups know it.

Windfall

All fantastic. I hope everyone behind the scenes at the club gets a grand pay rise after all the hard work everyone's put in under such difficult circumstances.

Rodrigo

Sorry, I missed the part where he only gets one season to justify his price tag? :duno:
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Stadium.

Only one stand will survive, obviously the tricky part is the South Stand as it backs onto the road. I do wonder what the appetite is for football in Leeds is. 60k? Not sure of that.

Rodrigo. Ive been happy with him.
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I'd be interested to see what the proposals are for the refurb of the ground. Realistically to get 60k capacity I'd have thought we'd have to move the pitch to the north, somewhat?

As for demand... if the product on the pitch is good, people will come.

We've got a good side that is good to watch...

And there is obviously room for improvement with the corporate side, and other match day revenue.

Kinnear and Radz seem quite tuned in, I'm sure they'd look to try and retain that unique ER atmosphere when the renovations are completed.

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Rodders has shown flashes all season, but his last three appearances have been more in line with what we could have reasonably expected - if he has an injury free spell I think we'll see the best of him.

Paddy has probably done better than the club expected, hence the slight adaptation of his role in a starting XI.

I think the same is true of Struijk too - his improvement at centre back (less so in the DM role) has taken the club by surprise - we are now stuck with four potential starters.
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Ron Swanson wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:46 am Paddy has probably done better than the club expected, hence the slight adaptation of his role in a starting XI.
Another thing to consider with Rodrigo, god forbid if Paddy got injured we now know Rodrigo is more than ready to step into those boots. Given Roberts may not be with us next season that'll be even more vital.
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mothbanquet wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:52 am Another thing to consider with Rodrigo, god forbid if Paddy got injured we now know Rodrigo is more than ready to step into those boots. Given Roberts may not be with us next season that'll be even more vital.
I'd look to move Roberts on, if there is cash on the table.

I know he scored in the last game but he basically tripped over the ball and was lucky to get a tap in after the keeper made the initial save. This was after ignoring an easy pass to Harrison... and also Rodders in the previous game.

Use any £££ from him to contribute towards a permanent deal for Harrison.

If Greenwood or Gelhardt are any good they can fill the gap left by his departure.
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HarryofOz wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 9:38 am No it wouldn't.
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You could see the class the first game he played. That was enough for me and he'll get better, through no fault of his or ours we haven't had a lot yet but that's life. Sell we lose money

The extra amount should be used on Harrison, and a left back and the money earmarked for summer transfers can all go on an attacking mid. If that's 40-50 on DePaul then all the better

Or we can put in the pot to massively upgrade the gound
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Also are we saying SU and SW fans will now abandon their club and support Leeds. I do realise a s**t load of fairweather fans have returned, I guess they'll bring money into the club but it's not a nice taste
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Ron Swanson wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:56 am I'd look to move Roberts on, if there is cash on the table.

I know he scored in the last game but he basically tripped over the ball and was lucky to get a tap in after the keeper made the initial save. This was after ignoring an easy pass to Harrison... and also Rodders in the previous game.

Use any £££ from him to contribute towards a permanent deal for Harrison.

If Greenwood or Gelhardt are any good they can fill the gap left by his departure.
I do agree with you on most points here but have to play devil's advocate on one - he laid the ball off for Paddy whose shot was saved, it just looked scruffy because it was a flick with the back of his heel that was very quick and sudden from the default camera angle. Watch the highlights on LUTV's youtube channel, the All the Angles video in particular and you'll see it more clearly from the angle below.

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It was a good bit of play from him and unselfish as well. Paddy should have buried that shot but it went straight at the keeper and luckily fell back to Roberts who did a much better job.

Sorry, I won't be shedding tears if Tyler moves on but he's getting some bizarre flak for his play leading up that goal and it's not deserved at all.
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Irish Ian wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 10:31 am Stadium.

Only one stand will survive, obviously the tricky part is the South Stand as it backs onto the road. I do wonder what the appetite is for football in Leeds is. 60k? Not sure of that.

Rodrigo. Ive been happy with him.
Even the South Stand has the potential to be extended as there is a lot of wasteground behind it and the 2 buildings, the old peacock and the subway are well set back from the road. In theory diverting the road further back would enable the stand to be developed and there is enough wasteland/car parking to relocate the parking for those 2 buildings to the side of them. Certainly nothing that I would have thought couldn't be overcome if the council is on board.

Under O'Leary the ground was regularly sold out so I reckon we could easily attract 50,000+ if the team is doing well.
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faaip wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 11:06 am Also are we saying SU and SW fans will now abandon their club and support Leeds. I do realise a s**t load of fairweather fans have returned, I guess they'll bring money into the club but it's not a nice taste
It is interesting about fair-weather fans. When the club is well run and managed and the team is going through a decent period, ER will sell out week in week out be that in the PL or the Championship. On top of that you will still have a few thousand who genuinely want to support the club but can't go for various reasons. I reckon currently there would be around 45k fans who genuinely want to watch Leeds each week maybe more, regardless of who we are playing or which league we are in but as it stands we can only get 38k in. Then come the extra say 5 thousand fair-weather fans who want to watch Leeds but only against the best teams thereby taking the total to 50k. The point is with success, which is what we are seemingly going through at the moment, come the big crowds. I don't doubt with a 50-60k capacity we could fill ER for those big games, European nights even local derbies etc but to maintain those crowds the club would have to maintain it's success somewhat. I have no problem with fair-weather fans, the more supporting the club the better I say. If the owners think they can fill a 50-60k stadium too then great. Lots of fans start out as fair-weather fans before getting 'the bug'.
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weasel wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 11:38 am Even the South Stand has the potential to be extended as there is a lot of wasteground behind it and the 2 buildings, the old peacock and the subway are well set back from the road. In theory diverting the road further back would enable the stand to be developed and there is enough wasteland/car parking to relocate the parking for those 2 buildings to the side of them. Certainly nothing that I would have thought couldn't be overcome if the council is on board.

Under O'Leary the ground was regularly sold out so I reckon we could easily attract 50,000+ if the team is doing well.
In his in his interview on TSB Kinnear mentioned the road acting as a natural barrier.
I suppose with enough finances anything is possible.
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