The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thursday 2nd September) - Leeds will face up hill task to keep Raphinha

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The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thursday 2nd September) - Leeds will face up hill task to keep Raphinha

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Good Morning. It's Thursday 2nd September, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Leeds will face up hill task to keep Raphinha

Leeds journalist Beren Cross dropped a bombshell on the Leeds Utd faithful after being asked about Brazilian ace Raphinha, and how settled he is at Elland Road. The 24 year old magician has dazzled the Premiership since his £17m move from Rennes last Summer, but according to the Leeds Live journo, Raphinha may have aspirations to play in Europe with Europe's elite if Leeds cannot fulfil his ambitions. Speaking on the Blue, White and Yellow podcast Cross said...

We’ve seen that with all the best Brazilian players, they are incredibly ambitious once they get to Europe, and they want to keep progressing, keep moving forward.

As somebody who grew up watching Ronaldinho, he will know that he wants to be playing Champions League football sooner rather than later. “So yeah, there is going to be some tough conversations to be had when it comes to renewing his contract, and that’s what Victor Orta and Angus Kinnear get paid to sort out.

Having seen new improved contracts given to Meslier, Bamford and Phillips this Summer, surely Raphinha should be next on the list. He has three years remaining on his contract!




Have Leeds lost their spark?

Former Chief Football Writer for the YEP Phil Hay believes Leeds need to rediscover their mojo if they are going to have a positive outcome in the Premiership this season. The Whites have yet to win this season having drawn twice, and lost once. They have netted 4 times, yet conceded double that amount.

It's fair to say Bielsa's side showed guile and intensity at home against Everton following their humiliation at Old Trafford seven days previously, but again looked way off the pace against a physical Burnley side. In contrast, the Lancashire club showed far less skill and ability than the Whites, but made up for it in heart and determination. Sean Dyche added the finishing touches by outwitting his counterpart on the tactical front - not exactly difficult if you never change your tactics!

At the point where Burnley opened the scoring in the 61st minute, Leeds’ possession had resulted in less than 18 per cent of the match being played in Burnley’s final third. Bamford’s finish was a first shot on target and a welcome shot in the arm.

Out of possession, Burnley succeeded in blocking off passing lanes through the centre circle and limiting sieges around their box. When precision mattered it was often lacking; Bamford’s heavy touch wasting a quick first-half counter-attack and Raphinha’s shot across goal doing the same in similar circumstances".

In the build-up to Bamford’s finish was a little piece of skill from Raphinha, enough to cause the unbalancing of the opposition, as Bielsa likes to put it. Some of Leeds’ better traits were under the surface — Bamford poaching, Raphinha scheming, Bielsa’s team possessing the stamina to make Burnley sweat briefly in injury-time — but if styles make bouts then Burnley’s devotion to street-fighting made this one for them.

Dyche’s side pressed, hassled and dived in when the opportunities arose and if there was any doubt that referees are taking a lighter touch in the Premier League this season, the evidence was all over the pitch. The shift in officiating is still to find the balance between encouraging players not to simulate and encouraging players to steam into each other. Parts of this campaign will ask Leeds to scrap as hard as they play.

Bielsa’s squad, in their defence, have the physicality to do that. And they can play considerably better than they have either side of a spirited draw with Everton, a match which showed far more of the traits commended by Klopp and Guardiola.

These are the weeks of the season where Bielsa’s squad routinely go to town, with vigour, flamboyance and a refreshed outlook. The opening forays of this term have given him more to think about, a swing in the balance of who is bossing who. In part, it comes down to the thing that has always lit the fire for him at Leeds: spark.

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Leeds will face up hill task to keep Raphinha

Leeds journalist Beren Cross dropped a bombshell on the Leeds Utd faithful after being asked about Brazilian ace Raphinha, and how settled he is at Elland Road. The 24yo magician has dazzled the Premiership since his 17m move from Rennes last Summer, but according to the Leeds Live journo, Raphinha may have aspirations to play in Europe with Europe's elite if Leeds cannot fulfil his ambitions!
A bombshell?

That's about as much a bombshell as hearing that a politician told a lie :P
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Be a big pay day when he goes, and I think he will in the next 20 months....
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I'd say next summer

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HarryofOz wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:47 am A bombshell?

That's about as much a bombshell as hearing that a politician told a lie :P
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BGwhite wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:59 am I'd say next summer

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I'd say 100 but realistically and because it's Leeds United around 80 with addons

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This is where the argument comes in regarding bringing in better players this summer. It will be very difficult to keep Raphinha next summer if we don't qualify for Europe. Its possible we could secure a Europa League place but I'd say the CL is beyond us at the moment. The top 4 will almost certainly be the same again.
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Chilli D wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:28 am This is where the argument comes in regarding bringing in better players this summer. It will be very difficult to keep Raphinha next summer if we don't qualify for Europe. Its possible we could secure a Europa League place but I'd say the CL is beyond us at the moment. The top 4 will almost certainly be the same again.
I was reading an article from Paul Robinson. He reckons we are still 3 players light. Most importantly, a back-up / game changer for Bamford and a central midfielder.

If we had sold Rodrigo in the Summer transfer window for 20 m, and reinvested it in two players, would anyone have minded losing Rodrigo?
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Not even contemplating losing Raphinha right now.

I did say we appeared sluggish in our friendlies.

The fixture list has conspired against us with three really tough games & Liverpool next up.

Manure at the wrong time in our first PL game in front of 75,000 opposition fans. Llorente & Phillips unavailable didn't help our cause.

We've now had three tough tight games v Everton, once again we missed Llorente, 7 goals conceded without our main CB.

Burnley were right up for it with their bunch of cloggers determine to halt our rhythm, the unavailability of Klich & Firpo mean't we had to juggle our team around again.

So far we haven't started with our best XI.

James will give us a different alternative this season, we needed a inspired signing.
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On current form I would be gobsmacked if we get anywhere near Europa league qualification ! So it may be bye-bye Raphina next summer.
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I wouldnt consider less than £120 million, grealish went for £100, why not, if they're serious they'll pay it.
Anyway, shows the club got it wrong imo by not adding a CM in this window, no need to panic yet like, Bielsa has a plan , lets see how it works uot, we'll definately improve and we 'might' add players in January when the players Bielsa has put faith in let him down again.
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1964white wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:35 am Not even contemplating losing Raphinha right now.

I did say we appeared sluggish in our friendlies.

The fixture list has conspired against us with three really tough games & Liverpool next up.

Manure at the wrong time in our first PL game in front of 75,000 opposition fans. Llorente & Phillips unavailable didn't help our cause.

We've now had three tough tight games v Everton, once again we missed Llorente, 7 goals conceded without our main CB.

Burnley were right up for it with their bunch of cloggers determine to halt our rhythm, the unavailability of Klich & Firpo mean't we had to juggle our team around again.

So far we haven't started with our best XI.

James will give us a different alternative this season, we needed a inspired signing.
Hay confirmed Firpo and Klich both have Covid.

James will be a game changer. We have not got many game changers in our squad.
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So thats 2 players possibly 3 with covid, how many more I wonder.

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BGwhite wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:44 am So thats 2 players possibly 3 with covid, how many more I wonder.

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At least the international break gives them time to isolate/ recover.
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60sUnited wrote: Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:37 am On current form I would be gobsmacked if we get anywhere near Europa league qualification ! So it may be bye-bye Raphina next summer.
Even if we do, that may not be enough to keep him.
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If Raphinha has 3 years left on his contract then there won’t be any need for Orta and Kinnear to discuss new contract terms because he’ll be gone long before then. At this moment in time I can’t see us finishing any higher than last season let alone in the European places and that will probably be the trigger for Raphinha to consider his options.

Phillips might be another one considering his options although, having said that, because he’s a local lad with a great affinity with the club and he’s already achieved his international ambitions, this might not be as big a concern.

There’s no denying that Rodrigo has been a massive let down so far and in my opinion would only come into his own (even then I have my doubts) if Bamford sustains a serious injury, otherwise he’ll just be sat warming the bench at a cost of £30m and £60000/week. He’s been tried and found wanting as an attacking midfielder and we have more wingers than you could shake a stick at. So, yes, at £20m I would’ve snapped their hand off.
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Who would take Nketiah on loan?
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I think it is very likely that Raph will go in the summer also. I just hope that he doesn’t get abuse. He will have given us two years and who could have imagined 3 years ago that a player of his calibre would have graced Elland Road.
He is a top pro who will give us his all every game. The amount we receive depends on how many interested parties are involved and how well he performs this season. It is hard to put a figure on it. He hasn’t been capped yet - I suspect he will be 50 million upwards.

Players move on it is a fact of life.

The Leicester model has served the originators well. If we can replicate to a large degree then I see no issue. Selling some of their best players has not diluted their ability to challenge for the top 4.

Enjoy him whilst he is here.
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