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Good Morning, here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


It’s unfair to expect too much too soon from Marsch

Delivering his latest podcast, Leeds Utd journalist Phil Hay believes it's far too early to expect too much from Jesse Marsch. The American arrived at Elland Road six weeks ago, and to his credit has delivered ten points from the last four outings. Whilst the points are most welcome, the team has been criticised by some Leeds fans for showing a lack of quality, contrary to his predecessor's reign. Whilst Hay accepts that Marsch needs transfer funds, and time to be able to put his stamp on the squad, he feels it's important to give the likes of Greenwood and Gelhardt more game time, though bringing a centre forward to the club, should also be a priority.

It’s unfair, I think, to expect too much too soon. You do see a lot of that discourse about how good has the team been so far and how good the performances have been. I did ask Marsch on Saturday, ‘the results are there, how do you go about putting more quality into this team?’.

And I think the answer, from his point of view with that, is time. I think it’s recruitment as well, I don’t think anybody can deny that and I don’t think anybody should. If you want an example, we spoke afterwards about needing to use Sam Greenwood more and [Joe] Gelhardt and players of that ilk.

“And I totally agree they should but in this summer coming up, of all summers, that should not be allowed to distract from the fact Leeds are short of centre-forwards and do not have another proven option there.




Supercomputer predicts Leeds safety

Data experts at FiveThirtyEight, have predicted that Leeds will comfortably avoid the drop this season, and will also finish above Everton. FiveThirtyEight are the hosts for the Supercomputer, which calculates data based on probability. They have calculated that the Whites should gain a further five points between now and the end of the season, leaving them 16th in the table on 38 points.

Although they rate the chances of relegation at only 11%, Leeds remaining fixture list doesn't look particularly favourable. They face Citeh, Arsenal and Chelsea, two trips to London (Palace and Brentford), and a tricky tie against Brighton. They estimate that the bottom three will remain the same, with Burnley occupying the final relegated place on 33 points.





How different would this season have been...


When looking back on the achievements of last season, and compare them to where we are now, it's surprising to see how small some of the margins actually are, especially when you take into consideration the injury crisis we've endured this season.

Being without our most influential stars like Phillips, Bamford and Cooper for two-thirds of the season has definitely destroyed our chances of repeating a top half finish. Every team will have their fair share of ailments over a gruelling nine-month campaign, however, for such a small squad to have had 31 injuries (to date) totalling 1,284 days missed or 10.1 injuries per 1,000 minutes is still difficult to digest.

Prior to Bielsa's departure, Leeds conceded 24 goals over a six game period. Had Leeds not endured such a torrid glitch, their goal difference would certainly be more favourable, and perhaps Bielsa would still be in a job! Where would Leeds be in the table if it wasn't for their injury crisis?


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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Friday 15th April) It’s unfair to expect too much too soon from Marsch

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Ellandback1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:15 am

Good Morning. It's Friday 15th April, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road


It’s unfair to expect too much too soon from Marsch

Delivering his latest podcast, Leeds Utd journalist Phil Hay believes it's far too early to expect too much from Jesse Marsch. The American arrived at Elland Road six weeks ago, and to his credit has delivered ten points from the last four outings. Whilst the points are most welcome, the team has been criticised by some Leeds fans for showing a lack of quality, a trait far more evident during his predecessor's reign.

You're kidding right ? ... If that was Phil Hay said that then he's not the pundit his self important ego thinks he is... He's hit my s**t list.
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On the subject of JM, yes way too early to judge either way....
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The table is interesting, just about as many losses so we regressed to the mean a bit when turning draws into wins. 4 draws is really low over a season, that was always going to change
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West Ham beat Lyon 3-0 away last night. Unfortunately, these results usually are followed by a defeat and they next play.... Burnley!
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That article is spot on.
We all know Bert would've at least matched these last 6 games with the returning players. So let's give Big Jess a chance coz he will need time to adjust all these players (lord help him) into his formation and style (Lord help us).

These next 6 will show us a lot more than the previous 6 which let's be honest are nowt write home about, the players muscled up and ground them out, in whatever fashion, they're not yet in Jesse's style , we can all see that there's a lot of Bert still in there, and so there should be. Bar Bamford the current injured are not missed and easily replaced without disturbing the balance of the team, it's when 3/4 of the key players are absent or decide to go awol that we become fcked ( jeez i see Pep crying a bit atm and look at his depth!)

I've no doubt we'll see more and more in each performance, little by little if you like - which is the best way to go about it.
These next 6 will be a good indicator. With a virtually full squad, we should not be scared of Brighton, Brentford, Palace, Arsenal, Chelsea, Citeh in that order, 18pts available and we should be confident of at least 7pts, because i know i would be if Bert was in charge of current players available.

Then it's over to the Yank in the summer, he'll have a lot of work to do on and off the pitch.
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"Had Leeds not endured such a torrid glitch, their goal difference would certainly be more favourable, and perhaps Bielsa would still be in a job! Where would Leeds be in the table if it wasn't for their injury crisis?"

And yep he definitely would be.

Without the injuries and looking at the current teams points above us, we'd have beaten last years 9th.

Hypothetically of course :tup:
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faaip wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:21 am You're kidding right ? ... If that was Phil Hay said that then he's not the pundit his self important ego thinks he is... He's hit my s**t list.
The point which I was trying to make is that the football was a lot more attractive under Bielsa.

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Ellandback1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:24 am The point which I was trying to make is that the football was a lot more attractive under Bielsa.

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Ahh, apologies...that's not how it reads to me ...it reads like Bielsa's football was less attractive, with the "lack of quality" being the trait...
Leeds fans for showing a lack of quality, a trait far more evident during his predecessor's reign.
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Sean Dyche has been sacked by Burnley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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faaip wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:34 am Ahh, apologies...that's not how it reads to me ...it reads like Bielsa's football was less attractive, with the "lack of quality" being the trait...
No, I meant it the other way round!!!! :angel:
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Ellandback1 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:51 am Sean Dyche has been sacked by Burnley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know, there's a thread about it :)
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What! Bit late in the day surely. That f..ks them up then fingers crossed
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It’s unfair to expect too much too soon from Marsch
Correct, and a philosophy that should apply to judging new players signed as well
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SG90 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:31 am West Ham beat Lyon 3-0 away last night. Unfortunately, these results usually are followed by a defeat and they next play.... Burnley!
My concern too, SG

Leicester also away at PSV last night.

Expect Newcastle & Burnley to nick something this weekend.
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Is time for me to throw another grenade or do I remain quiet as I'm getting bored with it all :shhh:
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No I'll will go with my grenade as there are plenty being chucked around on here!

I'm a proper Leeds fan who supports my club, our new coach & the players.

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1964white wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:29 am No I'll will go with my grenade as there are plenty being chucked around on here!

I'm a proper Leeds fan who supports my club, our new coach & the players.

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Careful there old chap. That’s incredibly provocative.
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SG90 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:31 am West Ham beat Lyon 3-0 away last night. Unfortunately, these results usually are followed by a defeat and they next play.... Burnley!
Who have sacked Dyche.

Time for a new manager bounce?
Marsch OUT

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William wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:32 am Who have sacked Dyche.

Time for a new manager bounce?
They wouldn't sack him so close to a game, so they've obviously got Fat Sam lined up.
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