Brentford 5-2 Leeds Utd Match Thread - Good footage from the opposition.

Jaydog · Post by **Jaydog** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:16 pm

BlackHillsPaul wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:13 pm The Referee was poor today. Overturned by VAR on two goals. Ivan Toney was clinical. And Lloriente was an absolute nightmare!!

It’s papering over some large cracks though Paul. Chasms. Scoreline flatters them but they have way more quality than us going forward

danhirons · Post by **danhirons** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:16 pm

BlackHillsPaul wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:15 pm Let me add that Jesse Marsch completely lost his cool today. Unacceptable!! And that loss of composure on the part of the Manager was transferred to the team. They fell apart after he was sent off. We needed calm and composed and he lost the plot.

Yep not a fan of managers losing the plot so easily, transfers onto the team

Cjay · Post by **Cjay** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:16 pm

Jaydog wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:13 pm I’m sure someone said there was a great understanding developing between Koch & Balls up Llorente.
A few games back. Think Llorente has had a mental breakdown tbh

Can't play left side.

It was highlighted when we signed him as was his physical deficiencies.

Certain players aren't suited to England and imo he is one.

You can see why he would do OK in a slower less physical league like La Liga.

You can also see why he doesn't suit this league.

Jaydog · Post by **Jaydog** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:17 pm

danhirons wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:16 pm Yep not a fan of managers losing the plot so easily, transfers onto the team

He’s mistaking passion for stupidity. He has a lot to learn from the previous boss on that score

Currie14 · Post by **Currie14** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:17 pm

Cresswell scored & provided an assist today. Maybe we should have kept him to play up front

The Subhuman · Post by **The Subhuman** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:18 pm

BlackHillsPaul wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:15 pm Let me add that Jesse Marsch completely lost his cool today. Unacceptable!! And that loss of composure on the part of the Manager was transferred to the team. They fell apart after he was sent off. We needed calm and composed and he lost the plot.

I don't mind that, something needs ro change with regards VAR and only outspokeness will drive change.

SG90 · Post by **SG90** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:18 pm

Currie14 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:17 pm Cresswell scored & provided an assist today. Maybe we should have kept him to play up front

I wouldn't bother, according to this forum he's s**t

CHAPELALLMAN · Post by **CHAPELALLMAN** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:19 pm

Can Cresswell be recalled ?

Jaydog · Post by **Jaydog** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:19 pm

Cjay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:16 pm Can't play left side.

It was highlighted when we signed him as was his physical deficiencies.

Certain players aren't suited to England and imo he is one.

You can see why he would do OK in a slower less physical league like La Liga.

You can also see why he doesn't suit this league.

Well it has to be Pascal then. No question. V Forest. Has a must win feeling already really and they got turned over by the cherries today.

BlackHillsPaul · Post by **BlackHillsPaul** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:19 pm

1964white wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:08 pm We need to move Pascal to partner Koch in the middle & play Hjelde at LB.

I've been calling for this since pre-season. The best CB combo is Koch/Stuijk. It's time to give Hjelde a run out at LB.

SG90 · Post by **SG90** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:20 pm

Cjay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:16 pm Can't play left side.

It was highlighted when we signed him as was his physical deficiencies.

Certain players aren't suited to England and imo he is one.

You can see why he would do OK in a slower less physical league like La Liga.

You can also see why he doesn't suit this league.

What we need is a physical CB who is good in the air, but apparently the one we have is s**t.

Jaydog · Post by **Jaydog** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:21 pm

faaip wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:18 pm I don't mind that, something needs ro change with regards VAR and only outspokeness will drive change.

Don’t think a Jesse hissy fit will change VAR. It was truly awful today though. Incompetence personified

Jaydog · Post by **Jaydog** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:22 pm

SG90 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:20 pm What we need is a physical CB who is good in the air, but apparently the one we have is s**t.

Bring him back for Citeh. Be a cracking fight between him & Haaland. “Go on Chaz, nut him”.

danhirons · Post by **danhirons** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:23 pm

Jaydog wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:21 pm Don’t think a Jesse hissy fit will change VAR. It was truly awful today though. Incompetence personified

Byebyegeegee · Post by **Byebyegeegee** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:23 pm

Even after a 5-2 defeat I can honestly say we were the better footballing side by far and from what I’ve seen today Brentford are the new Wimbledon, hoof ball hit and hope and long throws etc. Unfortunately they have a real class player in Toney and our defending was particularly poor today. I said last week that Llorente makes me nervous every time he gets the ball or even gets near the ball and today he’s justified my nervousness.

VAR is a disgrace, compare their penalty claim against Summerville’s. One barely obvious one was given, one more obvious one wasn’t, I’m not surprised that Marsch is pulling his hair out at the corrupt officiating in this league. I fear he will get himself sent off a few more times yet this season because this anti Leeds bias isn’t going to stop anytime soon.

BlackHillsPaul · Post by **BlackHillsPaul** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:23 pm

Jaydog wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:16 pm It’s papering over some large cracks though Paul. Chasms. Scoreline flatters them but they have way more quality than us going forward

No argument from me on that point Jay.

The Subhuman · Post by **The Subhuman** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:24 pm

Jaydog wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:16 pm It’s papering over some large cracks though Paul. Chasms. Scoreline flatters them but they have way more quality than us going forward

Defensively Koch had a good game, Drameh did nothing wrong, Struijk was very good and Meslier made a couple of very good saves. It was Llorente with a series of awful errors that was the issue. On top of that,

No pen for their first, and foul throw.
No foul for the second
Sinisterra great goal
Llorente error for their third
Sinisterra shirt pull and then pushed over from behind in the box. 100% pen not given
Roca scores a good goal
Llorente should be the cover for Koch for the 4th
Llorente keeps his biggest error til the end and the 5th

Cjay · Post by **Cjay** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:26 pm

Jaydog wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:19 pm Well it has to be Pascal then. No question. V Forest. Has a must win feeling already really and they got turned over by the cherries today.

Who goes left back?

That is the problem when your owners have a that'll do attitude.

Trying to fix one area creates another elsewhere.

Cjay · Post by **Cjay** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:27 pm

SG90 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:20 pm What we need is a physical CB who is good in the air, but apparently the one we have is s**t.

Club have long been obsessed with passing stats and running stats rather than the basics of each role.

Jaydog · Post by **Jaydog** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:28 pm

faaip wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:24 pm Defensively Koch had a good game, Drameh did nothing wrong, Struijk was very good and Meslier made a couple of very good saves. It was Llorente with a series of awful errors that was the issue. On top of that,

No pen for their first, and foul throw.
No foul for the second
Sinisterra great goal
Llorente error for their third
Sinisterra shirt pull and then pushed over from behind in the box. 100% pen not given
Roca scores a good goal
Llorente should be the cover for Koch for the 4th
Llorente keeps his biggest error til the end and the 5th

Spot on from what I saw till my Llorente stream gave up and wandered off with a whimper.
Move Pascal in with Koch. Hjelde @ LB for Forest. No brainer. May not be the answer but....

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