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If Bert was still here i'd be gutted he was going, but now i feel we've become another of those teams that sell their best and just linger around happy to just stay in the Prem and keep ticking along.

This Raph and KP scenario will just keep repeating itself, but that will only keep going for as long as the Monkeys pin.
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Kennyb41 wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:52 pm If Bert was still here i'd be gutted he was going, but now i feel we've become another of those teams that sell their best and just linger around happy to just stay in the Prem and keep ticking along.

This Raph and KP scenario will just keep repeating itself, but that will only keep going for as long as the Monkeys pin.
Teams outside of the top six or so don't have any other choice but to sell their best players if they want to go - tell me a club outside the top six that does otherwise...there isn't one and it doesn't make sense to do so. You keep an unhappy player who underperforms for an extra year or two and then he leaves on a free - spurs with kane is probably the closest but they're a top six side. You just have to look at leicester and villa selling Maguire and Grealish...
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also...if you become a side who refuses to sell their top talents when they want to leave, then you would gain a reputation for this and risk younger upcoming talent deciding against joining because they're afraid that they will be trapped at the club
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I don't disagree. It's what we are now.

But there's absolutely no way Bert would have accepted this once he got us up there, he's intelligent enough to know that we'd have to do it along the way.

No manager in the world will come along now and get us 'up there' on a shoestring. NONE.
We are destined for mediocrity and relegation battles.

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That photo of Kalvin wearing those ridiculous shoe things and silly coat has just been shown on 'Have I got news for You' in the odd one out section. Funnily enough, he wasn't the odd one out :lol:
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With Fernandinho leaving Man.City in the summer they could potentially see KP as a replacement perhaps?
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Cjay wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:56 pm With Fernandinho leaving Man.City in the summer they could potentially see KP as a replacement perhaps?
Dont care as long as they overpay for him.
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Cjay wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:56 pm With Fernandinho leaving Man.City in the summer they could potentially see KP as a replacement perhaps?
Problem is, how do we replace Kalvin?

We can't afford Rice or Kante.
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William wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:13 pm Dont care as long as they overpay for him.
Spot on that, get as much as we can as soon as we can coz i have a bad feeling the big Jesse won't know how to use him.
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1964white wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:18 pm Problem is, how do we replace Kalvin?

We can't afford Rice or Kante.
It's possible we won't miss him as much if we persist on playing 2 holding midfielders as you then have 2 players to do his job so we wouldn't miss him as much, however the flip side means we have 1 less player then in the team having to play 2 to do what KP could do (a bit like how MU kept playing Fred and McTominay as neither are good enough on their own).
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Fred & McTominay 😂😂😂
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danhirons wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:17 am Teams outside of the top six or so don't have any other choice but to sell their best players if they want to go - tell me a club outside the top six that does otherwise...there isn't one and it doesn't make sense to do so. You keep an unhappy player who underperforms for an extra year or two and then he leaves on a free - spurs with kane is probably the closest but they're a top six side. You just have to look at leicester and villa selling Maguire and Grealish...
That was some business by Villa though, fair play. For Grealish I mean. Massively overrated. 100 mill was it.
Kane can do 10 x what he does so what’s he worth, even though he’s getting on.
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Question
Does Kalvin want to go?
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Do Leeds want to sell?

Who the flip knows! We sure as flip don't do we?
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1964white wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 4:18 pm Problem is, how do we replace Kalvin?

We can't afford Rice or Kante.
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Manchester United have long been credited with an interest in Kalvin Phillips but the sense that a formal approach could finally happen in this summer’s transfer window is gathering substance. Strengthening midfield has become a top priority at Old Trafford, with Nemanja Matic and Paul Pogba both set to leave, and Phillips fits the bill for the kind of defensive screen the team has needed for several years.

Sources say Manchester United have begun exploring, via intermediaries, the prospect of a transfer worth £50 million, although there has been no direct contact between the clubs, and none with Phillips either.

Incoming new manager Erik ten Hag will have a major influence over any signings but it is expected there would be support for an approach from interim boss Ralf Rangnick.

Phillips has also been admired by assistant manager Mike Phelan since he watched Leeds United beat Salford City 3-0 in the Carabao Cup in August 2019. Sitting alongside Nicky Butt as well as Gary and Phil Neville, Phelan was impressed as Phillips controlled the game. Manchester United then scouted Phillips as he rose to full England international status and became an important part of Gareth Southgate’s side.

There is, however, one Elland Road-sized elephant in the room: Phillips and those close to him grew up as massive Leeds fans, well aware of the fierce rivalry with the club down the M62 motorway.

Last September, Leeds striker Patrick Bamford gave an insight into the Phillips dynamic. “All his family hate (Manchester) United,” Bamford said. “They’re probably telling him, ‘Make sure you tell the lads how big and crucial this game is. One of them where the rest of the season, while being important, this game is the main focus’.”

If push comes to shove, would Phillips really make that move?

There are, of course, precedents for players braving the transfer from Leeds to Old Trafford — and none more lastingly bitter than the one made by Alan Smith in 2004. Smith would never consider joining Manchester United. He said so himself. But when the hypothetical became a reality, the striker did exactly that.

There are differences between Smith and Phillips, though. Smith, according to school friends of his, grew up as a Liverpool fan. Phillips is a life-long Leeds supporter, with countless family members who also follow the club. He lives in the centre of the city and has done since he was young, closely tied to the Wortley area. As one source told The Athletic, if the day arrives where Phillips leaves Elland Road “he would want to come back through the front door rather than the back door”.

Marcelo Bielsa, Phillips’ coach at Leeds for three and a half years, had a soft spot for the midfielder and gave him one of his old Newell’s Old Boys shirts after Phillips was called up by England for the first time. In Bielsa’s opinion, Phillips was wise enough to know how to handle any departure from Leeds diplomatically and to avoid his choice of new club creating bad blood.

Kalvin Phillips grew up as a Leeds fan (Photo: Chris Vaughan – CameraSport via Getty Images)

“One day, he’ll stop playing for Leeds and the way he does it will convert him into an idol forever,” Bielsa said earlier this season. “I have a feeling. It’s intuition. I’m sure he would only leave if he sees that the link to the place he was born remains intact. He’ll know how to do this.”

Around the time of those comments, in the run-up to Christmas, Leeds indicated to Phillips that they wanted to begin discussing a new contract with him. Phillips was receptive and made it clear that he would be happy to consider an offer. He is tied down until 2024 at present anyway, on the five-year deal agreed by him in 2019. He is not the highest earner at Elland Road but an uplift in wages after Leeds’ promotion from the Championship two years ago put him among their bigger hitters in terms of basic salary.

Since then, however, there has been no progress on an extension and nothing in the way of a firm or formal proposal. Leeds ran into relegation trouble, Bielsa was sacked, and a conversation about Phillips’ future will wait until this season has finished, once the club are certain of their league status. Both sides appear relaxed about the situation and Leeds are hopeful that they will convince Phillips to take new terms and stay for another year. But they understand, too, that Phillips’ value will diminish if his current contract is allowed to run towards its final 12 months.

In the background, Phillips is understood to be strongly considering changing the agency which represents him.

For many years he has been on the books of Palm Sports Management, a West Yorkshire-based company in which former Leeds player Kevin Sharp is a leading figure. Phillips’ contract with Palm Sports Management is set to expire this summer, however, and The Athletic has been told that Stellar Group, one of football’s biggest agencies, is a leading contender to take him on. The subject is described as being still up in the air.

Sharp told The Athletic: “Kalvin’s under contract with us until the summer and I’d be disappointed if he didn’t stay with us. I haven’t heard of anything about a change. It’s just noise, like we get with him in every window.”

Stellar was responsible for negotiating Jack Grealish’s £100 million transfer from Aston Villa to Manchester City last summer but sources say Phillips’ potential switch of agents should not be seen as a prelude to him leaving Leeds. It is very possible that it will be a precursor to him signing a new deal, provided Leeds are not relegated next month. Stellar has other clients at Leeds including Bamford and Dan James. The agency also has links to Manchester United in Luke Shaw, Anthony Elanga and Dean Henderson.


At no stage has Phillips ever asked to leave Elland Road, although a move to Villa was strongly mooted before he signed that new deal in 2019. As it stands, Leeds have had no direct contact from Manchester United either.

In January, enquiries for Phillips were made by Villa and West Ham United via conversations at executive level. Leeds rejected those approaches out of hand and insisted that no official bids were tabled. There was also interest from two major continental clubs while Phillips was shining for runners-up England during the European Championship last summer but nothing in the way of concrete offers. Although Phillips has been injured for a large part of this season, he continues to be seen as a positive presence at Leeds and was drafted into the club’s senior leadership group by Bielsa’s replacement as head coach, Jesse Marsch.

Marsch insisted last week that his interaction with Phillips was purely focused on the midfielder’s own game and his contribution to the Premier League run-in. “I don’t speak much with agents,” Marsch said. “I don’t speak much in broad perspective with players about their careers. They have plenty of people around them to do that. I just try to help them understand, when they’re here with us, how to maximise their potential.

“Since I’ve been here, even though he wasn’t training from the beginning, he was a big part of every day and every video session and every meeting. His energy around the team was also massive.”

On Monday night, Phillips played his first 90 minutes since November 30, helping Leeds to an important 0-0 draw away to Crystal Palace. His form in the closing weeks of the season might determine if Manchester United push the button on what would be an explosive pursuit.

What then of Phillips? To paraphrase Mike Tyson, everyone has a plan until you get the offer of European football and a significant pay-rise. Despite Manchester United looking like throwing away Champions League qualification for next season, those are the typical career boosts available at Old Trafford.

When faced with a similar proposition 18 years ago, Smith decided the sporting and financial aspects overrode loyalty to Leeds.

Phillips may be tested in the same way — albeit with a different outcome.
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No progress on a contract but a die hard Leeds fan with a die hard Leeds fan family.

Plus Manure are hardly a draw these days.

That being said I can see the pound signs in Radz eyes from here.

Also why aren't we doing what West Ham did?

Start leaking some £100mil price tags.

Apart from loyalty to the club why would he stay? After the lack of ambition last summer and the dire season we have had we are hardly a draw for an ambitious footballer chasing European football.
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If he's any sense he'll move on as fast as is humanly possible, this Yank hasn't a clue how 1. to use him and 2. to bring out the best in him.

He looked v ordinary v Palarse and signs of the old KP pre Bert, grab the highest wage you can KP at the best club you can like Lpool Citeh, Citeh probably best coz they'll use you on your own in the role most suited to you, Lpool will probably also be ok in a midfield 3 coz Klopp has a brain. But go to Citeh, you'll shine under Pep and you'll have a phone line to Bert :tup:

You'll never look back son, but get away from here asap coz your value is dropping by the second.

No need :tup:

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Bit of rust maybe, 2 sub appearances then 2 weeks off... Also needs to have an 8 in front of him and the hexagon not working well atm so outlets are few and far between
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Not had a mention really but KP admitting that the intensity of the last few years has caught up with them.

The lads were exhausted.

Undeniable really given its come from the players themselves and especially KP who seemed close to Bielsa.

Bielsa had burnt them out unfortunately.
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