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BradWhite wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:08 pm If it's a business then hang on to him and sell him at his peak, we always seem to get robbed yet pay over inflated prices for dross.
Depends, a bad injury or loss of form could see value tumble then there’s what we could do with the money
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faaip wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 2:04 pm Depends, a bad injury or loss of form could see value tumble then there’s what we could do with the money
That applies to any decent young rising talent.
We are a business too, why should we flog off our assets, usually under the value to make our rivals even stronger.
He WILL be the best in the EPL that I am sure of, keep him.
We seem to be there for the picking and where does it get us?
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It does, that’s why you balance the pros and cons

I’m pragmatic when it comes to Leeds, I know everyone is capable of good and bad games. I know the FO is giving their best shot and I know the coaching side are trying to implement their scheme go good or ill. We don’t get weaker with Robles between the sticks but we could get much stronger if Meslier buys us a 25 goal striker

Not saying we should sell, I wouldn’t, but it’s not my decision to make
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Without Meslier we'd be bottom of the league, looking at another relegation battle, we still might with our leaky defence.
I guess he has a say in his own future, I'd like to keep him so that we can build a competing squad and not just hovering one above the drop zone, we are a 1 city club and we should be better than this.
We need to keep our best players.

Surely the money from Raphinha and Phillips would have got us a class no 9?
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BradWhite wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:48 pm Without Meslier we'd be bottom of the league, looking at another relegation battle, we still might with our leaky defence.
I guess he has a say in his own future, I'd like to keep him so that we can build a competing squad and not just hovering one above the drop zone, we are a 1 city club and we should be better than this.
We need to keep our best players.

Surely the money from Raphinha and Phillips would have got us a class no 9?
Maybe maybe not, Meslier has had a couple of howler games. Plus I think Robles is very decent and keepers are a confidence thing.
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1964white wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:10 am We need to build our team around our best players, not flog them to the highest bidder or in our case the first & lowest bid that is offered as was the case with Pontus, Kalvin & Raphinha.

We are so quick to get rid of our best players, you couldn't write it.

Alioski, Berardi & Pablo were out of the door far too early imo, we should have offered Pablo a coaching role!
Absolutely. To build our team meant keeping hold of good players and having that squad depth. Once those injuries kicked in under Bielsa, having a small squad impacted on our downfall. Seeing Klich has now gone too and we already have been suffering injuries, I am very worried about another small squad and where we are heading.
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Lufcheidi wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:47 am Absolutely. To build our team meant keeping hold of good players and having that squad depth. Once those injuries kicked in under Bielsa, having a small squad impacted on our downfall. Seeing Klich has now gone too and we already have been suffering injuries, I am very worried about another small squad and where we are heading.
Another hole in our squad which probably won't be repaired, our tight-fisted board is oblivious to the gaping holes within our squad. It's going to be a long old season with the squad as it stands now.

I walked out of ER with a friend who was a member on here a few years ago, we were both thoroughly fed up.
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1964white wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:32 am I walked out of ER with a friend who was a member on here a few years ago, we were both thoroughly fed up.
It's a strange world. The Marsch supporters seem very disappointed with the performance last night whereas those of us who aren't fans of the manager actually seemed reasonably pleased with a lot of elements of the performance (even though we should have got 3 points against a very poor West Ham side).
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faaip wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:24 pm Maybe maybe not, Meslier has had a couple of howler games. Plus I think Robles is very decent and keepers are a confidence thing.
I certainly wouldn't say no to £50m if we were offered it. Still not massively convinced, most of his "great" saves are pretty routine stuff.
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SG90 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:15 am I certainly wouldn't say no to £50m if we were offered it. Still not massively convinced, most of his "great" saves are pretty routine stuff.
So, if Meslier is not that good, why would any club offer £40m/£50m for him?
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1964white wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:12 pm So, if Meslier is not that good, why would any club offer £40m/£50m for him?
For me he has shown huge improvements this season (cue a howler in his next match). Beginning to realise some of the potential he had.
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faaip wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 2:04 pm Depends, a bad injury or loss of form could see value tumble then there’s what we could do with the money
You can make this argument about any player. You don’t sell your best assets on this basis. Similarly you can adopt the stance of holding onto players as they suddenly become world class.
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In the hope*
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faaip wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:41 pm It does, that’s why you balance the pros and cons

I’m pragmatic when it comes to Leeds, I know everyone is capable of good and bad games. I know the FO is giving their best shot and I know the coaching side are trying to implement their scheme go good or ill. We don’t get weaker with Robles between the sticks but we could get much stronger if Meslier buys us a 25 goal striker

Not saying we should sell, I wouldn’t, but it’s not my decision to make
Buy a 25 goal striker ?? You are talking WC talent WTF at that level would come to a club that sells its best players. The only 25 goal a season striker we will see in the next 10 years minimum is by developing a special talent.
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Truly astonished that some people do not rate Meslier as a special talent. All keepers make mistakes - as do all out field players. It is called human error which is an inescapable trait everyone has.

Robles is nowhere near the same level. If he was he wouldn’t be a journey man. 3/4 cameo friendly appearances for us and he is suddenly a great keeper.

The bids for Meslier will be in the summer. It will be a real test of our ambition to fight off interest and convince him his immediate future is at Leeds.
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I think IM would be plain daft to go elsewhere for a while yet, he's No1 at a PL club, he's very well thought of, he won't get in as 1st choice at any other top7 PL team, only a move abroad may get him 1st team football and CL football, neither will get him National status, he's way too far down the pecking order.
All in all, he's better off where he is imho.
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DDB220 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:52 pm Buy a 25 goal striker ?? You are talking WC talent WTF at that level would come to a club that sells its best players. The only 25 goal a season striker we will see in the next 10 years minimum is by developing a special talent.
So don't buy anyone except kids? ..I've already posted frequently I'm good with that... Rodrigo is on course for 20-25, didn't go to the world cup ..Berenton could score 20 plus in the prem, that other one from Coventry... I have absolutely no problem selling to buy...
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This is all hypothetical at the moment anyway
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faaip wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:35 pm So don't buy anyone except kids? ..I've already posted frequently I'm good with that...
I think what we have probably got wrong so far is we have bought too young - or the managers haven't trusted the young players enough to throw them in. I think we have treid to change that narrative by spending a bit more on players that we thought were nearer to being ready for first team football, Perkins, Gyabi and Gnonto as an example.
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weasel wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:05 pm I think what we have probably got wrong so far is we have bought too young - or the managers haven't trusted the young players enough to throw them in. I think we have treid to change that narrative by spending a bit more on players that we thought were nearer to being ready for first team football, Perkins, Gyabi and Gnonto as an example.
I think it was a 5 yr plan to get promotion from day one so the kids bought in the first couple of years were with a view to possible sales in the championship our get promoted to the first team in the championship... We kinda broke that plan with an early ascension. Since then we've added premier quality 21's and it's not surprising they're nearly first team ready...
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