Perhaps like you say they are wanting to give Firpo another season before writing him off. We also have Dallas, Struyjk and Haalme that look fairly capable as back up so it might be we are prioritising elsewhere first. May also be the case that we won't see much action until we get some money coming in from player sales.andrewjohnsmith wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 4:27 pm Interesting that we've been linked with several players in several positions. I haven't heard any serious mention of a left back. Looks to me like they're invested in Fripo for another year. Would be really surprised if we didn't at least buy a young left back as there's no natural replacement.
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I hope they move Firpo on, it is clear to me he lacks pace and positional awareness. The large amount of yellow cards he earns are not from malicious fouls, but either bringing down or grabbing hold of opponents who have gone past him. It is also true he is slow coming back from attacking positions that break down.
Our defensive frailties were exposed for all to see last season, and all good teams tend to be built on a solid defence. I think Kristensen will give us much more security on the right side and similar is needed on the left. Move Llorente out and one of either Koch or Cooper too, and bring in a reliable centre defender like the Burnley Captain we are looking at. Then blood in Cresswell and Heljde with Pascal as another option and hopefully Phillips playing in front of them. Sounds a good solid base to play from in my opinion.
Our defensive frailties were exposed for all to see last season, and all good teams tend to be built on a solid defence. I think Kristensen will give us much more security on the right side and similar is needed on the left. Move Llorente out and one of either Koch or Cooper too, and bring in a reliable centre defender like the Burnley Captain we are looking at. Then blood in Cresswell and Heljde with Pascal as another option and hopefully Phillips playing in front of them. Sounds a good solid base to play from in my opinion.
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Dallas probably doesn't play next season, Struijk lacks pace, Hjelde has promise but it's a bit like playing Ayling at CB for a whole season. Firpo is at least a wing back so defence not as important as the DMF's drop back to cover and he's very decent ball at feet... But we need cover and as wing backs need to get to the by line then probably needs to be left footed.weasel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:18 pm Perhaps like you say they are wanting to give Firpo another season before writing him off. We also have Dallas, Struyjk and Haalme that look fairly capable as back up so it might be we are prioritising elsewhere first. May also be the case that we won't see much action until we get some money coming in from player sales.
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Right now I'd say Jack Harrison is LWB#2
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Can't see Orta admiting he made another mistake.andrewjohnsmith wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 4:27 pm Interesting that we've been linked with several players in several positions. I haven't heard any serious mention of a left back. Looks to me like they're invested in Fripo for another year. Would be really surprised if we didn't at least buy a young left back as there's no natural replacement.
Will stick with Firpo unfortunately.
We were linked to one left back from the MLS . . . I forget his name.
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If Marsch does use the 4-2-2-2 system then Firpo is fine, another season could see him settled as would any partnerships he needs to grow. The wing back in that 4-2-2-2 is the width, they'll form part of a 6 man forward line with the 4 forward centres interchanging and the 2 wing backs flanking. The DMF's will stay deeper and the centre backs flare when needed while the Wing back chase back to form a back 6. Should make us less vulnerable to the counter if done properly
But defending won't be key for the wing backs... In that system as I say it wouldn't surprise me to see JH play wing back, it's gonna a less defensive position in JM's formation than it was even under Bielsa
But defending won't be key for the wing backs... In that system as I say it wouldn't surprise me to see JH play wing back, it's gonna a less defensive position in JM's formation than it was even under Bielsa
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He said: “I can play as a centre back; I know because now I am 25. In four or five years I will play as a centre back for sure because football is changing. Football changes all the time, the left backs now are more wing backs than left back but I’m not this type of left back to make dribbles, make a lot of runs.
“I’m more with the ball waiting for the right moment to appear so I know in the future I will be a centre back for sure, so I’m preparing myself.”
Junior Firpo by his own admission doesn't suit the modern full back.
Isn't that peachy.
Can add him to the list of players Orta has signed who don't fit the system.
Firpo is also deluded if he thinks he can be a cb, man can't defend
“I’m more with the ball waiting for the right moment to appear so I know in the future I will be a centre back for sure, so I’m preparing myself.”
Junior Firpo by his own admission doesn't suit the modern full back.
Isn't that peachy.
Can add him to the list of players Orta has signed who don't fit the system.
Firpo is also deluded if he thinks he can be a cb, man can't defend
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Tackling is totally different as a centre back as to a full back. For a start at full back you predominantly have people running at you and trying to get past you, not so much as a centreback, more often it is someone trying to create a bit of space to get a shot away. A good centreback reads the game well and if they do it well they rarely have to make one on one tackles. It was why PJ's didn't impress me as a centreback simply because he made lots of tackles, that was for me down to him not being a good reader of the game and having to react.
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Well that discounts Firpo as his positional sense is woeful.weasel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 8:50 pm Tackling is totally different as a centre back as to a full back. For a start at full back you predominantly have people running at you and trying to get past you, not so much as a centreback, more often it is someone trying to create a bit of space to get a shot away. A good centreback reads the game well and if they do it well they rarely have to make one on one tackles. It was why PJ's didn't impress me as a centreback simply because he made lots of tackles, that was for me down to him not being a good reader of the game and having to react.
As for Pontus, his game wasn't just about tackles & blocks, he had an aerial presence, winning lots of balls in the air.
Led Brentford well, hasn't done bad there with their defence conceding 56 goals, remind me how many goals did we concede after spending £50 million on our defenders/keeper?
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Yeah must admit I don't really see JF as a centre back either!
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Just for balance on the Firpo debate did anyone notice what happened for the goal we conceded at Brentford on the last day ?
Firpo was pressing in the Brentford half and so was Phillips and yet the only one who got back to make a challenge was Firpo. Kalvin was still wading through treacle and the player who crossed the ball for Brentford was actually the same one Struijk brought down on the half way line and KP was stood next to him as he got up.
Sometimes as fans we only see what we want to see.
Firpo was pressing in the Brentford half and so was Phillips and yet the only one who got back to make a challenge was Firpo. Kalvin was still wading through treacle and the player who crossed the ball for Brentford was actually the same one Struijk brought down on the half way line and KP was stood next to him as he got up.
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I watched the game delayed by a few days and so I had read all the stuff about Firpo being awful. When I watched the game I saw the said tackle and thought he did very well to defend this. I was quite surprised with how poor people had rated him in the game.Jammy 07 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 9:38 pm Just for balance on the Firpo debate did anyone notice what happened for the goal we conceded at Brentford on the last day ?
Firpo was pressing in the Brentford half and so was Phillips and yet the only one who got back to make a challenge was Firpo. Kalvin was still wading through treacle and the player who crossed the ball for Brentford was actually the same one Struijk brought down on the half way line and KP was stood next to him as he got up.
Sometimes as fans we only see what we want to see.
I'm Ok with seeing how Firpo gets on for 10 games or so under a new system with a full pre-season and potentially a more favourable position for him. I can tell there is a player in there trying to get out.
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I think this is good tactical analysis. Whatever system JM settles on I think the width will come from the Wing Backs. Unless it's a 4-3-3 which I think is unlikely. It looks like we have an upgrade coming on the right with Rasmus Kristensen. Which leaves the Left to Firpo, Struijk, or Harrison. I'm intrigued by the idea of Harrison in that spot.faaip wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 7:40 pm If Marsch does use the 4-2-2-2 system then Firpo is fine, another season could see him settled as would any partnerships he needs to grow. The wing back in that 4-2-2-2 is the width, they'll form part of a 6 man forward line with the 4 forward centres interchanging and the 2 wing backs flanking. The DMF's will stay deeper and the centre backs flare when needed while the Wing back chase back to form a back 6. Should make us less vulnerable to the counter if done properly
But defending won't be key for the wing backs... In that system as I say it wouldn't surprise me to see JH play wing back, it's gonna a less defensive position in JM's formation than it was even under Bielsa
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He actually defends quite well and he seemed to be getting better, His positioning under Marsch probably saved us 2/3 goals as he covered really well in the middle for absent CB's. Good header of the ball. He does need to learn to hold his man up rater than lunge in too early which to be fair Alio did an awful lot too and as I say he got better at standing off and waiting for the right time...Lumiukko wrote: ↑Sun Jun 05, 2022 10:49 pm I watched the game delayed by a few days and so I had read all the stuff about Firpo being awful. When I watched the game I saw the said tackle and thought he did very well to defend this. I was quite surprised with how poor people had rated him in the game.
I'm Ok with seeing how Firpo gets on for 10 games or so under a new system with a full pre-season and potentially a more favourable position for him. I can tell there is a player in there trying to get out.
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Only time will tell with firpo, I don't see us ditching him just yet, as I've said before, I don't rate him, but, with a full pre season and encouragement, he might just adapt, however, I still see nothing in him, can't trap a bag of cement and he's all over t'place like Bambi on ice, time will tell.
I've also mentioned JH as LB or LWB whatever suits, if he ups his workrate and is told that's his designated position from the off, either him or DJ.
I've also mentioned JH as LB or LWB whatever suits, if he ups his workrate and is told that's his designated position from the off, either him or DJ.
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I figured so as he wasn't on the bench... Oh dear. At least Radz can declare that he's our new LB signing in January.
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Remind me again, why did we sign Firpo?
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Slight knock. Better to rest him? Surely to better to have him on the bench than Gyabi who was never going to see game time.