Mateo Joseph

[1964white]

Or you could say he's 21 years old and learning his craft.

Yes he lost his way a bit this season but after the summer break he'll come back stronger for the experience.

I sincerely hope you are correct, if Mateo remains at Leeds.

[Jammy 07]

We won't have time to bed players with potential in the PL.

Sorry have to disagree with that otherwise Harry Gray may as well not bother agreeing professional terms.

Joseph will get minutes in pre season and that's his opportunity to stake a claim just the same as all the other players in and around the first team squad.

[1964white]

Strongest argument for Mateo is probably similar to Charlie Cresswell last season.

Real Betis are a top 6 La Liga club.

They don't spend huge money, the £12mil they reportedly want to sign him for Is a top 6 signing fee for them.

They aren't spending that on a prospect.

They see something in him.

Manuel Pellegrini is the manager he's no fool, he's a Premier League and European competition winning manager.

If he sees something in Mateo is that not am indicator maybe a bit of patience is required?

Farke may want to keep Joseph.

Time will tell.

[1964white]

Without Bielsa I think KP would have ended up as a league 1 player.

The same applied to Ayling, Cooper, Dallas & Klich, in fact Mateusz was almost gone prior to the 2018/19 season.

[Jammy 07]

Strongest argument for Mateo is probably similar to Charlie Cresswell last season.

Real Betis are a top 6 La Liga club.

They don't spend huge money, the £12mil they reportedly want to sign him for Is a top 6 signing fee for them.

They aren't spending that on a prospect.

They see something in him.

Manuel Pellegrini is the manager he's no fool, he's a Premier League and European competition winning manager.

If he sees something in Mateo is that not am indicator maybe a bit of patience is required?

Interesting that you should mention Cresswell as since he went public about his perceived lack of opportunities under Farke all the other players have kept their heads down and worked hard. That's including Ramazani who started to get game time again towards the end of the season after receiving criticism about certain aspects of his game.

Whatever you might think about Farke he certainly does not take any nonsense from his players and rightly so.

[Cjay]

Interesting that you should mention Cresswell as since he went public about his perceived lack of opportunities under Farke all the other players have kept their heads down and worked hard. That's including Ramazani who started to get game time again towards the end of the season after receiving criticism about certain aspects of his game.

Whatever you might think about Farke he certainly does not take any nonsense from his players and rightly so.

Was more the interest in CC from Toulouse who specialises in that signing prospect cheap thing was an indicator was clearly a player in Charlie.

Real Betis interest in Mateo is similar imo.

They don't spent big money.

£12mil is a big fee for them.

So maybe that is an indication Mateo needs patience not discarding permanently?

[Phild]

Next season is no time for patience .
I’m sure he will have good preseason and then what?
He starts ?
He does something coming on for the last 20, that he couldn’t do this season.?
Spurs forum have a lengthy thread on Archie Gray. They admit he was thrown in at the deep end but most hardly convinced from what they have seen

[Pullhard]

Next season is no time for patience .
I’m sure he will have good preseason and then what?
He starts ?
He does something coming on for the last 20, that he couldn’t do this season.?
Spurs forum have a lengthy thread on Archie Gray. They admit he was thrown in at the deep end but most hardly convinced from what they have seen

Archie spent most of his time at CB.
Not a natural position for him.

[CUSSIE01]

Next season is no time for patience .
I’m sure he will have good preseason and then what?
He starts ?
He does something coming on for the last 20, that he couldn’t do this season.?
Spurs forum have a lengthy thread on Archie Gray. They admit he was thrown in at the deep end but most hardly convinced from what they have seen

To be fair to Archie with the injuries Spurs had the whole defence was a shambles but getting taken off at half time in the 5-1 drubbing by Liverpool must have hurt his confidence and pride. We did ok out of the Archie deal but I’d loved to have seen him lift the Championship trophy with us, if Eddie cried when Harry came on can you imagine what he’d have been like watching Archie lift the trophy.

[Jammy 07]

Was more the interest in CC from Toulouse who specialises in that signing prospect cheap thing was an indicator was clearly a player in Charlie.

Real Betis interest in Mateo is similar imo.

They don't spent big money.

£12mil is a big fee for them.

So maybe that is an indication Mateo needs patience not discarding permanently?

Maybe we should put the whole squad up for sale then before deciding who we keep ?

[The Subhuman]

We won't have time to bed in players with potential in the PL.

If we go with the same strikers as some are suggesting, we'll be heading quickly back to the championship.

The same applies with the rest of the spine of our first XI next season.

Same centre-backs
Same centre-midfielders
Same No.9s

Then we are doomed!

We're likely doomed anyway, we maybe going up with a team full of championship players but we also have a championship manager... both manager and players could prove to be prem quality but neither are atm.. Lets not forget Rodon couldn't break into Spuds team in his mid twenties

[The Subhuman]

Like Paddy says the prem suits him more, Joseph may suit the Prem more than the hustle and bustle of the poor quai;lty championship...

[Jammy 07]

We're likely doomed anyway, we maybe going up with a team full of championship players but we also have a championship manager... both manager and players could prove to be prem quality but neither are atm.. Lets not forget Rodon couldn't break into Spuds team in his mid twenties

We're far from doomed as we have much better financial backing, from owners who are sports specialists, who also have a long term plan, than the last time we went up under chancer Radrizani.

I'm fully expecting us to survive.

[1964white]

We're likely doomed anyway, we maybe going up with a team full of championship players but we also have a championship manager... both manager and players could prove to be prem quality but neither are atm.. Lets not forget Rodon couldn't break into Spuds team in his mid twenties

True, even though Rodon is my favourite player, I'm not totally convinced his championship form will be anywhere near as consistent at the highest level, that's the reason why I reckon we require an experienced PL centre-back playing alongside whoever starts at the back, whether it's Rodon, Struijk or Ampadu.

[1964white]

We're far from doomed as we have much better financial backing, from owners who are sports specialists, who also have a long term plan, than the last time we went up under chancer Radrizani.

I'm fully expecting us to survive.

Having the 49ers/Red Bull managing LUFC has to give us a realistic chance of surviving next season, more so than the other two promoted clubs.

[The Subhuman]

True, even though Rodon is my favourite player, I'm not totally convinced his championship form will be anywhere near as consistent at the highest level, that's the reason why I reckon we require an experienced PL centre-back playing alongside whoever starts at the back, whether it's Rodon, Struijk or Ampadu.

Rodon easier to replace than Pascal. Left sided CB's are rarer than RCB's. A few can play both in the modern game but not many and they're very expensive

I'd go hard after Esteve, he's not just prem quality imo he might be CL quality...

[weasel]

Interesting that you should mention Cresswell as since he went public about his perceived lack of opportunities under Farke all the other players have kept their heads down and worked hard. That's including Ramazani who started to get game time again towards the end of the season after receiving criticism about certain aspects of his game.

Whatever you might think about Farke he certainly does not take any nonsense from his players and rightly so.

I've mentioned it elsewhere about how it is all about getting a team spirit and everyone being supportive of each other. Ramazanni and Schmidt have had little game time but were always celebrating our goals. I may be wrong but the impression I got with Cresswell is that he thought he should be starting, which is fine but he should be confident in his own abilities but it is how you handle yourself and how you are with other players. By saying he should be starting he is effectively saying he thought he was better than Rodon. So that is gonna rub people up the wrong way if they think Rodon should be starting. Like you say Ramazanni didn't come out saying he thought he should be starting, which would effectively have been having a go at Solomon, or Schmidt which would have been the same over Firpo or Bogle.

Farke saw an individual with a chip on his shoulder that wasn't a good player to have around the training pitch. In my opinion he has handled it well regardless of how Cresswell's career goes. It was the same with how he sidelined Gnonto until Gnonto sorted his head out, got his smile back and trained properly and was a good team mate.

[Phild]

Frightening when you look at the group above the 3 coming down
Can’t remember the relegation battle being as cut and dry for weeks like it has been this season

[Barlow Boy]

Frightening when you look at the group above the 3 coming down
Can’t remember the relegation battle being as cut and dry for weeks like it has been this season

We’re going to have our work cut out next season, that is for sure.

We’re going to have to finish above Burnley, whoever wins the play offs and, at least, one other.

[1964white]

We’re going to have our work cut out next season, that is for sure.

We’re going to have to finish above Burnley, whoever wins the play offs and, at least, one other.

All those Premier League teams are miles ahead of us right now, apart from the bottom three, of course.

We need some upheaval at some of those clubs, such as managerial changes, which may hinder their progress.