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Announce he has gone tonight

His setup today was a total disgrace

Defensive mercenary only wanted his cash
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Cjay wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:50 pm Announce he has gone tonight

His setup today was a total disgrace

Defensive mercenary only wanted his cash
We needed a win and he picked a team to avoid defeat. Plan went to s**t in 2 minutes.

He could have at least treated the fans to an entertaining line up in what was 99% likely to be our final premier league game.

He got us 1 point in 4 games. They say so blame on Sam for getting relegated. But he was more disappointing than any of us expected.

F/off. Angry at him. But much more angry at our embarrassment of an owner.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:56 pm We needed a win and he picked a team to avoid defeat. Plan went to s**t in 2 minutes.

He could have at least treated the fans to an entertaining line up in what was 99% likely to be our final premier league game.

He got us 1 point in 4 games. They say so blame on Sam for getting relegated. But he was more disappointing than any of us expected.

F/off. Angry at him. But much more angry at our embarrassment of an owner.
He's literally just said basically we didnt hoof from the back enough and is going all in on the players trying to totally absolve himself of responsibility.

He's just a self promoter now trying to cover his ass.

Can tell he isn't fussed.

Referring to us as "this club"

"Leeds United"

No we
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Cjay wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:58 pm He's literally just said basically we didnt hoof from the back enough and is going all in on the players trying to totally absolve himself of responsibility.

He's just a self promoter now trying to cover his ass.

Can tell he isn't fussed.

Referring to us as "this club"

"Leeds United"

No we
"There's nobody better than me. Not Pep. Not Klopp. Not Arteta"

Can someone play that back to him at the post match interview?
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I know everyone is upset but do you really question the motives of those who make the decisions?

I know it wont be popular but its a bit OTT to think along those lines.

Allardyce cost himself a couple of million in a pay day and Radz cost himself probably £125-150M
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"Football is about the people and the players,” he said. “Then there are those who will mingle in the middle: the coaches, executives and journalists. That last group represents the worst part about football" Marcelo Bielsa
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Irish Ian wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 6:01 pm I know everyone is upset but do you really question the motives of those who make the decisions?

I know it wont be popular but its a bit OTT to think along those lines.

Allardyce cost himself a couple of million in a pay day and Radz cost himself probably £125-150M
Allardyce was chasing the money, he was basically retired and out of the limelight.

He's made a few quid, got the opportunity to get his name back in the papers, it's a win win for him.

I'm sure he would like to have done well but ultimately he doesn't care, he's made £500k and got a bit of press time.

Radz is just incompetent.

I'm sure he didn't mean to get relegated but he allowed us to run in an amateur way and then he took the cowards way out

He could have said something? Would people like it, course not

But he's shown no respect to our fans pr our club by saying nothing and allowing himself to be shown gallivanting around Italy.

Ultimately his only interest was himself and we can see it now.

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Not blaming Sam but glad he's going! Club was relegated this year the moment we got Marsch in last year. The last good thing the club did was sack Bielsa. Nothing good since...
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Victor_Notts-17 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 6:09 pm Not blaming Sam but glad he's going! Club was relegated this year the moment we got Marsch in last year. The last good thing the club did was sack Bielsa. Nothing good since...
Agree that relegation is not Sam's fault.

But 1 point in 4 games. We expected better.
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Cjay wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 6:09 pm Allardyce was chasing the money, he was basically retired and out of the limelight.

He's made a few quid, got the opportunity to get his name back in the papers, it's a win win for him.

I'm sure he would like to have done well but ultimately he doesn't care, he's made £500k and got a bit of press time.

Radz is just incompetent.

I'm sure he didn't mean to get relegated but he allowed us to run in an amateur way and then he took the cowards way out


He could have said something? Would people like it, course not

But he's shown no respect to our fans pr our club by saying nothing and allowing himself to be shown gallivanting around Italy.

Ultimately his only interest was himself and we can see it now.

Fiddled whilst burns rings a bell
I'm baffled as to why he didn't sell at the end of last season. He admitted that he didn't have the resources any more. There was already a time frame in place to leave. He didn't stay for love of our club. He basically left us in limbo for a year. And that makes no sense.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 7:06 pm I'm baffled as to why he didn't sell at the end of last season. He admitted that he didn't have the resources any more. There was already a time frame in place to leave. He didn't stay for love of our club. He basically left us in limbo for a year. And that makes no sense.
Money and attention

That's all Radz cares about
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Allerdyce wasn`t better than Gracia or Marsch in my eyes. One worse than the other. The squad unbelievably poor...but also down to the coaches of course.
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No point blaming Alladyce.

The club sat on its hands after our first season back.

Alladyce was the last desperate throw of the dice by a club that had gambled and lost already.

A crumb of consolation is that Radrizanni is not going to get the payday he gambled on.

He’ll move on, so will most of the players. We are all left with the wreckage once more.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 7:06 pm I'm baffled as to why he didn't sell at the end of last season. He admitted that he didn't have the resources any more. There was already a time frame in place to leave. He didn't stay for love of our club. He basically left us in limbo for a year. And that makes no sense.
I am guessing the 49ers didn't want to complete the purchase last summer. After that AR expected us to finish mid table this season and as such would be more saleable asset either to the 49ers or someone else. He clearly, accoridng to his comments last year, didn't think we would be in a relegation fight.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 5:56 pm We needed a win and he picked a team to avoid defeat. Plan went to s**t in 2 minutes.

He could have at least treated the fans to an entertaining line up in what was 99% likely to be our final premier league game.

He got us 1 point in 4 games. They say so blame on Sam for getting relegated. But he was more disappointing than any of us expected.

F/off. Angry at him. But much more angry at our embarrassment of an owner.
I am 100% sure that we would not have done worse if Marsch had not been sacked - in fact we may have done quite a bit better. 3 managers since that time, but some still think that we have decent players but lousy managers.

At least under Marsch we looked capable of posing some attacking threat.
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VinnysTattoo wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 7:33 pm No point blaming Alladyce.

The club sat on its hands after our first season back.

Alladyce was the last desperate throw of the dice by a club that had gambled and lost already.

A crumb of consolation is that Radrizanni is not going to get the payday he gambled on.

He’ll move on, so will most of the players. We are all left with the wreckage once more.
The club has been taken over by foreign mercenaries - both the owner, the ex DOF and most of the players.

Still, the players will be looking forward to their £150k a week yacht charters in the Med now.
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Victor_Notts-17 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 6:09 pm Not blaming Sam but glad he's going! Club was relegated this year the moment we got Marsch in last year. The last good thing the club did was sack Bielsa. Nothing good since...
I'm actually wondering if the club might have been better sticking with Heckingbottom. He would have been at the club for the long-term, not on a rolling one year contract, and he might have turned things around had he had the summer to work with the players and bring some new ones in. When he took charge the players had already downed tools for the remainder of the season.

Radz has rivalled Cellino for chopping and changing managers. Must be something they have in the water in Italy.
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CHAPELALLMAN wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:30 pm I'm actually wondering if the club might have been better sticking with Heckingbottom. He would have been at the club for the long-term, not on a rolling one year contract, and he might have turned things around had he had the summer to work with the players and bring some new ones in. When he took charge the players had already downed tools for the remainder of the season.

Radz has rivalled Cellino for chopping and changing managers. Must be something they have in the water in Italy.
Only problem with that is that we would have never had Marcelo. And those were some of the greatest moments to enjoy as a Leeds fan. Despite whats happened in the past 2 seasons, you can't take the great memory of those 3 seasons away.

But .... after Bielsa left we might have been better with Heckingbottom.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:47 pm Only problem with that is that we would have never had Marcelo. And those were some of the greatest moments to enjoy as a Leeds fan. Despite whats happened in the past 2 seasons, you can't take the great memory of those 3 seasons away.

But .... after Bielsa left we might have been better with Heckingbottom.
Well it will be interesting to see how the Blades fare in the PL under Heckingbottom, Andrew.
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Daft as it first sounds we might have been better sticking with Skubala rather than the other 3 inept f*ckwits. No point keeping Marsch, after the good start to the season we'd took just 11 points from 17 matches and looked completely gone as a team when we lost to Forest. If we continued with Marsch then the projection would have at best been around 29 points for the season, which is worse than what we ended up with. Gracia started well then something happened and we just leaked goals after that. Sam Allardyce was useless setting us up defensively every game. Skubala seemed to actually understand how the players were best suited to playing. 2 good performances for 60+ minutes against Man U and given what we have learnt recently in regard to fitness then it begs the question did the team simply not have the fitness in those games rather than the ability with a good team plan. Yes the Everton result was poor but it was a goal conceded that we shouldn't have, 100% Messlier error. I think if Skubala had have had previous management experience we might have stuck with him longer and out of the 4 managers we have had this season he might just have been the best - admittedly the bar was so low that a worn with a hard on would have struggled.
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Just watching Sam on Sky as I type, and put him on mute.
As far as Leeds' history goes, he's an irrelevance
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