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Is the end of the world apparently, so it doesn't matter we lost to Chelsea last night

A time to stop giving?

One in 10 of us is said to be anxious that 21 December marks the end of the world. The Ancient Mayans predicted this doomsday, and the press is eating it up. But where are all the believers?

That the world will end in 2012 is the most widely-disseminated doomsday tale in human history, thanks to the internet, Hollywood and an ever-eager press corps.

Recent hurricanes, unrest in the Middle East, solar flares, mystery planets about to collide with us - all "proof" of what the ancient Mayans knew would come to pass on 21 December 2012.

According to a Reuters global poll, one in 10 of us is feeling some anxiety about this date.

Russians have been so worried that the Minister of Emergency Situations issued a denial that the world would end.

Authorities in the village of Bugarach in the South of France have barred access to a mountain where some believe a UFO will rescue them.

And survivalists in America - many of whom use the term "prepper" - have been busy preparing for all manner of cataclysm.

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Decoding the Mayan calendar
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The "Long Count" cycle of the Mayan calendar began in 3114 BCE and is widely accepted to end on 21/12/12 CE.

Except that in Simon Martin's view, everyone has got it wrong.

Martin is curator of the University of Pennsylvania Museum, Philadelphia's "Maya 2012" exhibition. He says the calendar is complex, and best thought of as a series of gear wheels.

He points out that at a Mayan site in Palenque, Mexico, there is an inscription describing an event that takes place in 4,722 of our era, "and that is the turning of an even bigger cycle", he says.

He adds that technically this is also not the start of a new cycle.

In 3114 BCE the calendar reset to zero with the turning of the 13th bak'tun (which is a smaller, 400 year cycle). This time, however, it does not reset to zero but merely goes on to the 14th bak'tun.

"The Mayan Calendar is a weird and wonderful thing," he says.

So I set out to find people who believe 21/12/12 is D-Day.

It was harder than I imagined, despite seeking out preppers, bunker builders, and even a Mayan shaman.

Eventually I turned to Morandir Armson, a scholar of the New Age and Esoterica at the University of Sydney, Australia.

"If you told me there were more than 5,000 people who genuinely believed the end of the world was coming rather than just having vague fears about it, I'd be surprised," he says.

Armson adds that those people are probably "in the wilds of Idaho, heavily armed, and won't talk to journalists anyway".

The heightened fear around this date is, in his view and that of other experts, almost entirely due to the internet. More specifically they blame the blogosphere.

It is not how the whole 2012 phenomenon started.

In 1987, Jose Arguelles, a man who devoted much of his life to studying the Mayan Calendar, organised what was called the Harmonic Convergence, a sort of post-hippy Woodstock. It attracted tens of thousands around the globe.

The event was an attempt to "create a moment of meditation and connection to the sacred sites around the earth," says Daniel Pinchbeck, author of 2012: The Year of the Mayan Prophecy.

It was also the beginning of what many in the loosely-defined New Age movement regard as a process in the transformation of our consciousness - a transformation that goes into full effect at the end of this year.

Pinchbeck calls 21/12/12 the "hinge point" of the emergence of a new, more enlightened age - not an ending point for all civilisation.

"It is quite clear that the Mayan system envisages a new cycle of the calendar beginning on the 22 December 2012," says Graham Hancock, author of Fingerprints of the Gods, and something of a rock star in the world of ancient mysteries enthusiasts.

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Jane Little's documentary, "2012: The End of Time?" was first broadcast on BBC Radio 4 at 20:00 GMT on 17 December. Visit the site below to listen online.

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He says the ancient Mayan culture was a shamanic one. Those who left us the calendar were visionaries who were providing clues to this ending of one cycle and the beginning of another.

That is not to say that New Agers do not see catastrophic events as necessary in some way to this new birth.

In fact they tend to embrace eastern faiths and native cultures with their cyclical views of time. In these visions, the world has been and will be destroyed - to some degree - and we start anew.

Accordingly, some believe the Mayans were sending us a warning for 2012.

"We may see a lot of destruction," says Pinchbeck. He points to Hurricane Sandy, which recently hit his home city of New York.

Many, including the mayor of New York, Michael Bloomberg, linked that hurricane to global warming, which tends to be seen by New Agers as the main threat to our planet.

However the New Age movement is full of optimists. Crucially, they say we have a choice in how this story ends.

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A survivalist prepper plays it safe
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Robyn Peterson lives in a small 1920s bungalow in a suburb of Denver, Colorado. On the inside it is no ordinary house. And she is no ordinary woman.

"When everyone else was playing with dolls, I was dreaming about my survival communities," says Peterson.

She bought the house for the thickness of the walls in the basement, where she stores a sizeable stash of dehydrated food, water, and medical supplies, and a handgun.

This is just one of four safe houses she has in Denver. She has also made her childhood dream a reality, having created a survival community in the Rocky Mountains of Southwestern Colorado.

The former ranch resort has log cabins, natural aquifers and room for up to 300 people.

Some of them, she says, paid $80 (£49) through a lottery system to gain a place. But she has also been selecting people based on skills they have to offer. She says doctors and electricians have been signing up.

The deadline for the community to be ready was 10 December. Peterson, however, does not think that 21 December is definitely doomsday. She also talks of March and April next year as times that could see destruction.

"We do not have to step over the edge of the abyss into darkness and destruction," Hancock says, calling this point in time a "cusp moment."

"It's up to us. It's totally up to us."

Morandir Armson, the Australian scholar, says the belief that 2012 marks a positive shift is one also shared by UFO groups, such as the Ashtar Command and the Ground Crew. These groups have no headquarters but for internet sites.

He says they refer to themselves as "lightworkers" who believe a fleet of alien space ships hover around our solar system.

"By doing good works on earth [they believe] you can speed up the consciousness of our humanity," says Armson.

In many ways, they emphasise the more positive aspects of the traditional Christian Apocalypse. The fire-and-brimstone part gets downplayed in favour of the glorious Kingdom to come.

Some 20% of Americans believe we are in the end times, and that they will see the return of Jesus Christ in their lifetime.

This month marks Advent in the Christian Calendar, during which Christians are encouraged to read from the Book of Revelation, the apocalyptic vision of St John the Divine.

"It's full of gory and grotesque detail of how the wicked are going to be punished," says Ted Harrison, author of Apocalypse When: Why We Want to Believe there Will Be No Tomorrow.

The twenty-first of December, however, is not on the biblical calendar and few, if any, believers in the traditional Book of Revelation are attached to this date.

The supposed date of the coming apocolypse, 21 December, also marks the Winter Solstice, symbolic in many cultures of the end of darkness and the renewal of the light.

It might, suggests Harrison, focus our minds on how we have been treating the planet and those on it, and how we could mend our ways.

In this respect, he says, "It might become a self-fulfilling prophecy. That's one hope. A remote one, but it is one hope
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They didn't predict the end of the word, their calendar just ran out.
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Shields53 wrote:They didn't predict the end of the word, their calendar just ran out.

As does ours, on the 31st December, starting immediately again, the following day.
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YAWN :bear:
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becchio bear wrote:YAWN :bear:

Bad night?
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barryanorak wrote:

Bad night?
LOL no on the contrary, I loved being at ER last night, the atmosphere was brilliant, Becchio phwoarrrrrrrrrrrr scored, I met up with the Drs Clan and the little old man and of course was with the lovely Pat :-D I just found the copy and paste article long winded and boring that's all :P
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I like Brian Cox's approach.

He stated that if anyone else approached him (many weeks ago) and asked him about the world ending on December 21st, and I quote...

"If anybody else asks me about End of the World, Nibru or photon belts I will slap their nobber cheeks until they're redder than Betelgeuse"


Can't fault him really.
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barryanorak wrote:I like Brian Cox's approach.

He stated that if anyone else approached him (many weeks ago) and asked him about the world ending on December 21st, and I quote...

"If anybody else asks me about End of the World, Nibru or photon belts I will slap their nobber cheeks until they're redder than Betelgeuse"


Can't fault him really.
:roflmao: :roflmao: much better read :tup: :bear:
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barryanorak wrote:I like Brian Cox's approach.

He stated that if anyone else approached him (many weeks ago) and asked him about the world ending on December 21st, and I quote...

"If anybody else asks me about End of the World, Nibru or photon belts I will slap their nobber cheeks until they're redder than Betelgeuse"


Can't fault him really.
He was great in Red Dragon.
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To paraphrase Douglas Adams:

"Lucky escape for Middlesborough if it does happen..."
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Dr.Leeds wrote:
He was great in Red Dragon.

So that would have been 'Great in Manhunter' then... :mrgreen:
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To paraphrase Douglas Adams:

"Lucky escape for Middlesborough if it does happen..."



and the answer given by Ford to the barman...

"not really .... no" :roflmao:
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Dr.Leeds wrote:
He was great in Red Dragon.

he was also good as Major Hogan in the Sharpe films :-D
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Better f**king not I just got access back to my kid and it don't start again till Saturday.
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Vast majority of people know exactly that the Myans did NOT predict the end of the world, but the media just love to hype it all!!

Apart from the end of their long count calendar they did predict the Galactic Alignment correctly. Quite what significance it will have on us is yet to be seen?
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becchio bear wrote:YAWN :bear:
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barryanorak wrote:

So that would have been 'Great in Manhunter' then... :mrgreen:
Oh yeah, forgot the film was differently named. As you were.
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hector wrote:



and the answer given by Ford to the barman...

"not really .... no" :roflmao:
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Armleywhite wrote:Vast majority of people know exactly that the Myans did NOT predict the end of the world, but the media just love to hype it all!!

Apart from the end of their long count calendar they did predict the Galactic Alignment correctly. Quite what significance it will have on us is yet to be seen?


Wrong on one major count Armley.... Vast majority of people couldn't give a flying whatsit about what the Mayans thought or predicted! What a load of baloney, if anything so major was about to happen, we'd know about it. If an asteroid was due to wipe us out, it would have been seen, if the Earth was about to erupt we'd have heard the rumbles by now etc ad nauseum.
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