Leeds Utd 1-0 Southampton - Post Match Debate

[Lufcheidi]

Can't believe he booked Gnonto for celebrating our goal though. What was that about?

[1964white]

Can't believe he booked Gnonto for celebrating our goal though. What was that about?

God knows, Heidi

[Barlow Boy]

Try and snatch jwp from saints when they go down ...if we stay up of course. We desperately need a dead ball specialist.

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A few were saying that near me in the ground today.

Interesting to see where he ends up (if they go down).

[DDB220]

Had to go out after the end of the match.

What I will say about Firpo is that he is better going forwards. But what has helped him enormously defensively is Adams and Wober. He rarely gets isolated against pace, which is where he struggles. Adams tracks back to help and has the pace to close down the attacker. The defensive unit as a whole is much more organised. As a result Firpo looks more confident.
I don’t think the man marking system which was in play when he joined helped him. But that was the system.
His goal was a-bit fortuitous but he got himself in the right position to get a shot on goal. Orta crying was a strange occurrence. Clearly under enormous pressure after the last few weeks.

Good performance and a much needed 3 points.

[malcolmw]

So once Javi has more time to think, and assuming a fully fit squad, what's his starting line-up? How about.....
Meslier
Ayling, Koch, Cooper, Wober
Gnonto, Roca, Adams, Harrison
Rodrigo, Bamford.
Bench:
Struijk, Kristensen, Aronson, McKennie, Summerville, Firpo, Rutter, Sinisterra

I could also go with starting Sinisterra in place of Bamford and Summerville in place of Harrison.
??????

[Spaldy]

Think its Firpos spot until he loses it Wober is better than Cooper so hes LCB

Mckennie is better than Roca

Bamford and Harrison are vulnerable with new coach. Some good pplayers will be pushing for play time and likely get it

[BlackHillsPaul]

There's a really good player there Paul in McKennie, oh how i wish he had Tylers engine.

On his potential ability and going off todays game, i've got him at 80% premier league fit, he's fcking intelligent, got a lovely touch about him, reads the play well and has a great all round game, but fck me let's get this guy firing on all cylinders coz he's gonna be great for us.

I hope you agree with me on this or i hope you can fill me in with all you know about him, coz i know nothing and i'm relying on you about his past.

If he was a car engine he'd need fine tuning, i watched him all game today, never took my eyes off him and he's either one lazy git that watches someone like Tyler do more grafting, or (and this is what i think it is) he's not fully fit and is slightly overweight, coz if he gets in the gym or gets Bertified fitness wise- we've got one hell of a player that could wreak havoc as a box to box midfielder and alongside Tyler could be formidable.

I also thought Brendan was good today and really out to prove a point to us fans, himself, and the new gaffer, all 3 can be great for us if they maximise their potential - Tylers not far off, Brendan needs some work with some weights for upper body strength, and Weston needs to put some hours in on the track, and we'll be fcking AWESOME, i'm SUPER EXCITED.

Well done Javi, there was a lot of influence on show from him as well today which is impressive in such a short time, i cn't believe he did every single thing i was hoping he'd do with the subs, I wanted Gnonto off coz he was starting to look a little spent and they'd concentrated on taking him out of the game and the Summerville introduction i thought was perfect and timed well as well, then i thought get Roca on and do exactly what he did with Pat and Rutter.

There's other things i've seen in Weston as well but i'll wait for you to respond.

Firpo obviously deserves some credit, but i'll come back to that.

Very few have Tyler Adams engine Kenny. And McKennie never will.

Having said that I think Leeds fans are seeing only about 60% of McKennie's game right now. He does have attacking creativity. We saw just a bit of it today. But right now he is playing for his 3rd Manager in 5 games with LUFC. And his highly defined role is to take up a defensive mid position next to Adams in a 4-2-3-1. In that system the attacking comes from the front 4 and the fullbacks. Any attacking contributions from Adams or McKennie or Roca when he was in there would be pure icing on the cake. Cause it ain't their job. You saw him bring out more of his game in the last 15 minutes today. I think we will see more of that in the future. But in my opinion Wes will be much more effective in a 4-3-3 or in a 4-4-2 playing on the right side. Those set ups will put him in his best positions on the pitch. And in a position to create, to execute the little give and go's, and to make the late runs into the box that he is well known for.

Leeds fans can joke about his physique or complain about his price tag. But he has been a regular starter for two different Champions's League teams in top five leagues. He's got 41 caps and 9 goals for the senior USA squad. And every single Manager that he has played for has trusted him in the starting eleven. For Schalke, Juventus, Leeds, and for USA. They can't all be idiots. When is the last time Leeds were able to sign a player of that pedigree?

You mentioned Brenden Aaronson was better today. I agree with that. But he is still getting bullied off the ball far too easily. I don't like him as a CAM in the Premier League. I think he needs to play out wide or as more of a box to box midfielder. Just my opinion.

Oh, and that highlighted bit is just you taking the piss....

[malcolmw]

Of our 3 American fellows, I only see Adams as a keeper. Aronson is too easy to get off the ball and needs a serious dose of composure. He confuses pace with progress!!
McKennie may be able to be coached out of it, but he's - like most US players - too technical. Against top teams I see him getting flustered - but let's see if Javi can mature him.
I prefer Roca - he's had his sluggish moments in the Marsh "lets figure it out as we go" approach, but has more hustle in the heat of battle - especially under a proper coach.

[Aussieleeds]

So once Javi has more time to think, and assuming a fully fit squad, what's his starting line-up? How about.....
Meslier
Ayling, Koch, Cooper, Wober
Gnonto, Roca, Adams, Harrison
Rodrigo, Bamford.
Bench:
Struijk, Kristensen, Aronson, McKennie, Summerville, Firpo, Rutter, Sinisterra

I could also go with starting Sinisterra in place of Bamford and Summerville in place of Harrison.
??????

If we are basing the decision on 2023 form not 2021 Bamford is not in our first 11. It’s Gnonto and Rodrigo up front and Sinisterra in midfield.
Gee, it feels strange when you can’t find a spot for players like Rutter and McKennie. It will be a disaster if we don’t stay up with this squad.

[malcolmw]

Agree that Bamford is not looking the part right now. But he's a battler and that's what we're going to need to stay up. Like I said, he could come off the bench and rather start with Sinisterra next to Rodrigo instead. Or, Rodrigo and Rutter, once he's found his feet??
McKennie .... per my other post today ... is just not ready for 90 minutes of premier league football in my opinion. Again good to come off the bench to plug a hole, but he doesn't strike me as the most creative midfielder in the business.
But we have a coach now who will no doubt develop his own plan for this squad. At least he has options.
The next question on the To Do List, should we stay up, is who do we sell in the summer?

[Kennyb41]

Very few have Tyler Adams engine Kenny. And McKennie never will.

Having said that I think Leeds fans are seeing only about 60% of McKennie's game right now. He does have attacking creativity. We saw just a bit of it today. But right now he is playing for his 3rd Manager in 5 games with LUFC. And his highly defined role is to take up a defensive mid position next to Adams in a 4-2-3-1. In that system the attacking comes from the front 4 and the fullbacks. Any attacking contributions from Adams or McKennie or Roca when he was in there would be pure icing on the cake. Cause it ain't their job. You saw him bring out more of his game in the last 15 minutes today. I think we will see more of that in the future. But in my opinion Wes will be much more effective in a 4-3-3 or in a 4-4-2 playing on the right side. Those set ups will put him in his best positions on the pitch. And in a position to create, to execute the little give and go's, and to make the late runs into the box that he is well known for.

Leeds fans can joke about his physique or complain about his price tag. But he has been a regular starter for two different Champions's League teams in top five leagues. He's got 41 caps and 9 goals for the senior USA squad. And every single Manager that he has played for has trusted him in the starting eleven. For Schalke, Juventus, Leeds, and for USA. They can't all be idiots. When is the last time Leeds were able to sign a player of that pedigree?

You mentioned Brenden Aaronson was better today. I agree with that. But he is still getting bullied off the ball far too easily. I don't like him as a CAM in the Premier League. I think he needs to play out wide or as more of a box to box midfielder. Just my opinion.

Oh, and that highlighted bit is just you taking the piss....

Correctamundo, but i prefer...'having the craic'

Listen Paul i think he's gonna be a cracker and can only get better, like you say this was his 5th game and in the Prem as well which a helluva lot of so called "great players" come unstuck with because mainly of the speed of the game compared to Spain etc.

That's all i wanted to know when you say 60 % of his game and i'm glad you've mentioned that figure, i said 80% but thought i was being kind (very unusual)

So where do you think we'll get the other 40% from? His body shape/type does make him look like he's not trim enough, not quite Jan Molby, Brolin etc but not far off if you catch my drift, there's definitely room for him to tone up, and he does seem to be strolling a lot if he can be and wants to be a box to boxer.

I totally agree that this is early days and he is still adapting to the Prem game and speed, but he's doing just grand, but i can see soooooooo much more and would love to know how fit he is from himself, coz he'll know inside, i just hope he really wants to put the effort into staying with us.

To sum it up,,,, I think Tyler wouldn't have a problem at all with a Bert training regime, but i think Weston would, agree ?

But he'd be one hell of a player if he got Bertified

[Kennyb41]

I did feel Messlier at times was far further out of his goal than he normally is, almost as a sweeper so I think it may have been a tactical ploy, presumably trying to draw a couple of their players out to give us more space.

Weasel have you any idea how to find these stats things ? I want to see how far McKennie ran yesterday in comparison to Tyler, i'll be fcking staggered if he's anywhere close to him, but then again, maybe not ?

[Kennyb41]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... n-revealed

Summert like this ?

[DDB220]

All our squad have a part to play this season. Bamford and Harrison, despite the frustration surrounding aspects of their games they are important players for us. Experience should not be underestimated.

I liked the chemistry between the 3 USMIT yesterday. Aaronson can be frustrating but like Adams and McK he always wants the ball and is brave on it. He will get better but we are unlikely to see the best of him until next season - assuming all goes as we hope.

[CHAPELALLMAN]

Very few have Tyler Adams engine Kenny. And McKennie never will.

Having said that I think Leeds fans are seeing only about 60% of McKennie's game right now. He does have attacking creativity. We saw just a bit of it today. But right now he is playing for his 3rd Manager in 5 games with LUFC. And his highly defined role is to take up a defensive mid position next to Adams in a 4-2-3-1. In that system the attacking comes from the front 4 and the fullbacks. Any attacking contributions from Adams or McKennie or Roca when he was in there would be pure icing on the cake. Cause it ain't their job. You saw him bring out more of his game in the last 15 minutes today. I think we will see more of that in the future. But in my opinion Wes will be much more effective in a 4-3-3 or in a 4-4-2 playing on the right side. Those set ups will put him in his best positions on the pitch. And in a position to create, to execute the little give and go's, and to make the late runs into the box that he is well known for.

Leeds fans can joke about his physique or complain about his price tag. But he has been a regular starter for two different Champions's League teams in top five leagues. He's got 41 caps and 9 goals for the senior USA squad. And every single Manager that he has played for has trusted him in the starting eleven. For Schalke, Juventus, Leeds, and for USA. They can't all be idiots. When is the last time Leeds were able to sign a player of that pedigree?

You mentioned Brenden Aaronson was better today. I agree with that. But he is still getting bullied off the ball far too easily. I don't like him as a CAM in the Premier League. I think he needs to play out wide or as more of a box to box midfielder. Just my opinion.

Oh, and that highlighted bit is just you taking the piss....

If he was Spanish people would be talking about us having signed a gem with all that experience...Look at how people overlooked Llorente's flaws for so long just because he was signed from a top La Liga club...It's called football fan snobbery.

[CHAPELALLMAN]

All our squad have a part to play this season. Bamford and Harrison, despite the frustration surrounding aspects of their games they are important players for us. Experience should not be underestimated.

I liked the chemistry between the 3 USMIT yesterday. Aaronson can be frustrating but like Adams and McK he always wants the ball and is brave on it. He will get better but we are unlikely to see the best of him until next season - assuming all goes as we hope.

As far as I'm concerned Rodders can't come back quick enough. I find it amazing that people still rate Bamford as a decent striker, what with those air shots with his best peg....

Watching MOTD yesterday though, it looked like Harrison was fired up at last. Maybe the need to impress a new manager has made him wake up.

[Madron]

I say let's put our strongest team out at Fulham and go for it. They weren't that good against wolves coincidentally without thug mitrovic and it's possible he won't play Tuesday either. It's a good chance to get to the qtrs so don't pass it up. It also gives Gracia another game to get his ideas into the players heads before the Bridge.

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Agreed. I think he will as he's taken a team to a final so knows what its all about.

[Madron]

As far as I'm concerned Rodders can't come back quick enough. I find it amazing that people still rate Bamford as a decent striker, what with those air shots with his best peg....

Watching MOTD yesterday though, it looked like Harrison was fired up at last. Maybe the need to impress a new manager has made him wake up.

We miss his composure and awareness in the pen area. If he'd passed (instead of Mckennie), to Aaronson ,and then also been there instead of Jimmy (pass to Harrison) we'd have won 3-0.

[mentalcase]

Dominated the game but lack of composure let us down again, why did jarrison get the full 90 mins, beyond me and most of the fans around me, they had no idea I critisize him all the time yet yesterday they were all grumbling, bamford, well enough said, runs a lot, thats it, surely the new guy will sort it !!!

Firpo did well toady, I even stood up and applauded the guy at one point, credit firpo, a lot of his understanding is down to the immense protection provided by Wober and Adams.

As I said a couple of weeks back but got slated for it by our resident coach, Mckennie is way off the pace and unfit for the PL at this moment in time.

Great to actually win a game, but, the system was worse than Jesse', only 3 games ago we looked like scoring, wtf have they done to the attack.

[The Subhuman]

Kinnear had a waffle to try and explain that

Said something like this

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