Premier League debate

[1964white]

So the EPL have decided 4 points is an appropriate punishment for violating its rules. It doesn't seem to me to be much of a deterrent to stop teams doing it. Surely Forest have benefitted by more than 4 points for cheating?

The whole procedures are a joke, Bob.

[1964white]

Anyone remember our 15 points deductions?

Where are those severe sentences these days.

[mentalcase]

LUFC ought to be pointing out these "flaws" in the judicial system.
Purely not acceptable.

[PhoenixUnited]

LUFC ought to be pointing out these "flaws" in the judicial system.
Purely not acceptable.

Might as well piss in the wind!

[weasel]

Anyone remember our 15 points deductions?

Where are those severe sentences these days.

25 points you mean. The 10 points we got given when we got relegated but because we showed up the EFL, by taking it after we were basically already down meaning the 10 points made no difference, they then made up new rules to give us the 15 point punishment the following season because they knew they could bully us because we'd gone into admin and they had the power to not let us back into the league. When they don't have that power theye footballing authoirites simply cave in.

I don't think it is a coincidence that they handed Everton the 10 point deduction when it looked liked the 10 point deduction wouldn't see Everton relegated as they had made a good start to the season. When Everton regressed tot heir usual sh*tness and it appeared the 10 points might actually see them get relegated they reduce it to 6 points so as to move Everton out of the relegation zone. They then drag their heels regarding the other punishment they are due, no doubt leaving it late enough to see what the consequences would be. Wouldn't be surprised that if Everton were to finish say 3 points above relegation that they would get a 2 point punsihment, but if they finished say 1 point clear they would say something like, 'Can't punish them twice for the same offence.' If Everton had a horrendous end of season and finished in the relegation zone and any punishment became irrelevant then the EPL would likely come down hard on them, give them an irrelevant hefty punishment so they no punishment carried on to the following season (sort of the opposite as to what happened with us and Everton would get away with it).

Same with Forest. They have given them a 4 point deduction which still makes it likely that Forest will not finish in the bottom 3. Interesting that they waited till after Forest played Lution before announcing the punishment. If Forest had won then I wonder if the punishment would have been 5 or 6 points instead? So now Forest get to see how the rest of the season pans out. If they end clear of the relegation places then they drop their appeal and get away with it, if it looks like the punishemnt will send them down they will no doubt appeal and get given points back and survive.

[1964white]

25 points you mean. The 10 points we got given when we got relegated but because we showed up the EFL, by taking it after we were basically already down meaning the 10 points made no difference, they then made up new rules to give us the 15 point punishment the following season because they knew they could bully us because we'd gone into admin and they had the power to not let us back into the league. When they don't have that power theye footballing authoirites simply cave in.

I don't think it is a coincidence that they handed Everton the 10 point deduction when it looked liked the 10 point deduction wouldn't see Everton relegated as they had made a good start to the season. When Everton regressed tot heir usual sh*tness and it appeared the 10 points might actually see them get relegated they reduce it to 6 points so as to move Everton out of the relegation zone. They then drag their heels regarding the other punishment they are due, no doubt leaving it late enough to see what the consequences would be. Wouldn't be surprised that if Everton were to finish say 3 points above relegation that they would get a 2 point punsihment, but if they finished say 1 point clear they would say something like, 'Can't punish them twice for the same offence.' If Everton had a horrendous end of season and finished in the relegation zone and any punishment became irrelevant then the EPL would likely come down hard on them, give them an irrelevant hefty punishment so they no punishment carried on to the following season (sort of the opposite as to what happened with us and Everton would get away with it).

Same with Forest. They have given them a 4 point deduction which still makes it likely that Forest will not finish in the bottom 3. Interesting that they waited till after Forest played Lution before announcing the punishment. If Forest had won then I wonder if the punishment would have been 5 or 6 points instead? So now Forest get to see how the rest of the season pans out. If they end clear of the relegation places then they drop their appeal and get away with it, if it looks like the punishemnt will send them down they will no doubt appeal and get given points back and survive.

Indeed, it was 25

Right now, the deductions are not seriously hurting clubs who are bending the rules. It's a disgrace!

[Pullhard]

It’s a farcical situation
The punishment doesn’t fit the crime.
In fact, it nearly encourages the crime.

Have zero respect for the Everton’s and Forests of the world. A cheater is not a good label to have.

[weasel]

For me common sense would be to have the footballing year, in term of finances, run from the end of the summer transfer window to the end of the following year's summer transfer window. As such it gives the team the whole of the transfer window to get themselves in order.

So say the end of the transfer window is September 1st 2024 then your accounts for the 2023-2024 season accounts can be finalised then. A club then has the advantage of knowing how much they earnt the season before (given that they earn more per league position, might have had a cup run etc) and also what division they are in and they have then had chance to react and act accordingly in the transfer market. The clubs then could have a month to compile their accounts before having to show them to the relevant league committees at the start of October. The league committes then have 2 months to look over the accounts and can then announce any punishment on Dec 1st. Clubs then have the right to appeal and the appeals are heard after the January transfer window shuts - this allows any team the opportunity to raise funds in the January window to balance their books and avoid the punishment. Any team failing to do so gets their appeal heard in the first week of February and the punishment then is final.

[mentalcase]

It's a complete joke, what so called professional league in the western world has'nt any hard and fast rules !!
Surely these ought to have been sorted years ago, they just ad-lib as they go on, that in itself is a massive flaw in the system, not just because it was Leeds United that got 25 points (well, it is) but seriously, any club that got walloped like we did surely sets a precedence for the future teams' misgivings, why haven't we a lawyer on the case.
There are millions of lawyers and accountants out there that coud come up with something, also they could pick holes in the PLs utter bias towards certain teams, where's the transparency !!

[whiteswan]

It’s a farcical situation
The punishment doesn’t fit the crime.
In fact, it nearly encourages the crime.

Have zero respect for the Everton’s and Forests of the world. A cheater is not a good label to have.

Some might say they've played the system. High risk mind

[Jimstorrie]

There's a lot of talk about the 115 charges levelled against Citeh.
Is there a definitive list of all these?
Indeed are they from the Premier League or UEFA?
I could do with some bedtime reading.
On the other hand....

[Jammy 07]

For me common sense would be to have the footballing year, in term of finances, run from the end of the summer transfer window to the end of the following year's summer transfer window. As such it gives the team the whole of the transfer window to get themselves in order.

So say the end of the transfer window is September 1st 2024 then your accounts for the 2023-2024 season accounts can be finalised then. A club then has the advantage of knowing how much they earnt the season before (given that they earn more per league position, might have had a cup run etc) and also what division they are in and they have then had chance to react and act accordingly in the transfer market. The clubs then could have a month to compile their accounts before having to show them to the relevant league committees at the start of October. The league committes then have 2 months to look over the accounts and can then announce any punishment on Dec 1st. Clubs then have the right to appeal and the appeals are heard after the January transfer window shuts - this allows any team the opportunity to raise funds in the January window to balance their books and avoid the punishment. Any team failing to do so gets their appeal heard in the first week of February and the punishment then is final.

What you’ve proposed there are indeed good common sense ideas apart from the January get out of jail card. Some clubs would surely still overspend and have half a season’s advantage before at the last minute flogging a couple of players to balance the books.

That’s the problem with football as you give them an inch and they’ll try to take a mile.

[Cjay]

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[WhiteRose]

So Leicester now charged by the EPL for breaches of P&S that’s all 3 clubs that finished just above us last season - how do you square the circle that we sold our best players to stay in the rules and got relegated whilst cheating teams stayed in The league and now have paltry points deductions - fans of those clubs can moan all they want, as per its Leeds fans that have been hardest hit!

[BillyBremner]

Yeah i agree. Really stupid rules. If there was cheating no points deduction just straight relegation and re-promote the teams below. A bit like RedBull spending more on development of their car in F1 snd just getting a fine
Sport is just about money now.


Marching on together

[mentalcase]

As i'VE SAID MANY TIMES, WHERE ARE OUR LAWYERS AMID ALL THIS BIAS !!!

[Cjay]

The clubs literally voted for these rules.

Wtf are Leicester and Everton moaning about

[andrewjohnsmith]

So Leicester now charged by the EPL for breaches of P&S that’s all 3 clubs that finished just above us last season - how do you square the circle that we sold our best players to stay in the rules and got relegated whilst cheating teams stayed in The league and now have paltry points deductions - fans of those clubs can moan all they want, as per its Leeds fans that have been hardest hit!

Agree. Keep saying the same. The punishment has to apply to the season in which the infraction happened. The league needs to figure out a way to take care of business within the season. I think someone above suggested a financial period that ends just after the January window.

[PhoenixUnited]

Agree. Keep saying the same. The punishment has to apply to the season in which the infraction happened. The league needs to figure out a way to take care of business within the season. I think someone above suggested a financial period that ends just after the January window.

They will do nothing of the like as it is not in its financial interests to do anything.

Plus the Slippery 6 clubs and indeed nearly all of the other clubs in the Premier League, even those that are crying in their beer currently, have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo as it is unlikely any one of them will suffer the consequences of being dumped off the gravy train that is the Premier League.

We can complain about the unfairness of it all but no one else cares a jot.

[ddapp]

How realistic is it though that they will get deducted six points this year like the athletic article states?