Lufc76Cor wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:26 pm
So the other 3 years in between World Cups he was still playing friendlies .........he absolutely did not treat the 6 Nations like friendlies .
And so what if other nations gave everything to beat England, they are the big scalp are they not? And no, no side rolls over for another in the 6 Nations to stop England winning outright, that's just a ridiculous comment, you're beginning to sound like a Leeds fan
Eddie Jones never treated any competitive game like a friendly in his life, never struck me as a man who took well to losing. And as for the statement he was always experimenting to peak for the World Cup is a bit rich considering he’s never won the World Cup with either England or Australia. A couple of good Scottish performances could mean Ireland going home early & England could win it but ………………….. PS, beginning to sound like an Everton fan
Jaydog wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:06 pm
AB’s well beaten. Poor tbh. Early days.
Yeah, same as the game against the Boks, they made way too many errors in defense. Very uncharacteric for an AB team.
But all credit to France. They are a very, very good team.
Bodes well for a great world cup.
Remember Argentina lost a pool game against Saudi, playing very poorly, yet went on to win the cup.
But this NZ team has a bunch of work to do.
Lufc76Cor wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:26 pm
So the other 3 years in between World Cups he was still playing friendlies .........he absolutely did not treat the 6 Nations like friendlies .
And so what if other nations gave everything to beat England, they are the big scalp are they not? And no, no side rolls over for another in the 6 Nations to stop England winning outright, that's just a ridiculous comment, you're beginning to sound like a Leeds fan
He didn't see winning the 6 nations as an achievement - he was trying to win the world cup. Yes of course he wanted to win the matches but it wasn't the priority.
CUSSIE01 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:47 pm Eddie Jones never treated any competitive game like a friendly in his life, never struck me as a man who took well to losing. And as for the statement he was always experimenting to peak for the World Cup is a bit rich considering he’s never won the World Cup with either England or Australia. A couple of good Scottish performances could mean Ireland going home early & England could win it but ………………….. PS, beginning to sound like an Everton fan
Yes but that's like saying Bielsa didn't win the premier league with Leeds. You can only achieve or overachieve so much with a team if they aren't great.
Like I said he didn't go in to any match to lose but his focus, and mandate, was always based on winning, or doing really well at World Cups. As such the time to experiment was the 6 nations, see whether new guys could handlet themselves against teams that hate England playing in hostile stadiums. Sink or swim so that by the time the world cup came round he'd know which players were mentally tough enough. I still remember captain Borthwick looking like he was about to cry when the teams were lining up prior to us playing, and losing to Wales at their stadium. 80,000 welshies (or however many the stadium held) all baying for English blood and our on pitch leader bottling it big style.
weasel wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:15 pm
He didn't see winning the 6 nations as an achievement - he was trying to win the world cup. Yes of course he wanted to win the matches but it wasn't the priority.
Didn't he, and he told you that did he? He must be the only coach in 5/6 Nations history that felt that way and somehow only shared that information with you.....wow... I'd seriously doubt he mentioned that in his interview for the job and he certainly didn't show that in his interviews at the end of every season
weasel wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:20 pm
Yes but that's like saying Bielsa didn't win the premier league with Leeds. You can only achieve or overachieve so much with a team if they aren't great.
Like I said he didn't go in to any match to lose but his focus, and mandate, was always based on winning, or doing really well at World Cups. As such the time to experiment was the 6 nations, see whether new guys could handlet themselves against teams that hate England playing in hostile stadiums. Sink or swim so that by the time the world cup came round he'd know which players were mentally tough enough. I still remember captain Borthwick looking like he was about to cry when the teams were lining up prior to us playing, and losing to Wales at their stadium. 80,000 welshies (or however many the stadium held) all baying for English blood and our on pitch leader bottling it big style.
Again, no coach experiments with the 6 Nations , summer tests or tours yes but not the 6 Nations, they all want to win it and go all out to do so, and you seem to have an issue with this hatred towards England as you call it, is that not the same the other way around? Do these countries only raise their game against England? Total bollox
Too much kicking from the A Bs and poor kicking at that 1 good kick for the 1st try
2nd try for A Bs was a forward pass
They should run the ball more but France look the goods
The Subhuman wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:11 am
5/6 nations is too big a tournament to "ignore" ... It's a bit like saying lets use the Euro's as practice for the World Cup ...
If it was every couple of years maybe but when it is every year it diminishes its importance. Sort of a bit like how to City the aim became winning the Champions League rather than the PRemier LEague (albeit they did both). Jones was hired to do well in the World Cup. Winning the 6 nations but then having a bad world cup would be a failure.
The challenge has been to be able to compete with the big 3, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa. You just have to look at Wales's record v New Zealand. Wales win the 6 nations loads of times yet get swatted away every time they play New Zealand. The 6 nations is akin to primary school whereas the world cup is secondary school. You can be the school bully at primary school but sudeenly you don't look so tough when you enter secondary school and the big boys are waiting for you.
weasel wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 10:51 am
If it was every couple of years maybe but when it is every year it diminishes its importance. Sort of a bit like how to City the aim became winning the Champions League rather than the PRemier LEague (albeit they did both). Jones was hired to do well in the World Cup. Winning the 6 nations but then having a bad world cup would be a failure.
The challenge has been to be able to compete with the big 3, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa. You just have to look at Wales's record v New Zealand. Wales win the 6 nations loads of times yet get swatted away every time they play New Zealand. The 6 nations is akin to primary school whereas the world cup is secondary school. You can be the school bully at primary school but sudeenly you don't look so tough when you enter secondary school and the big boys are waiting for you.
Quote “ Winning the 6 Nations then having a bad World Cup would be a failure “ end quote. Not winning the 6 Nations & then having a bad World Cup would be a bigger failure IMHO. And saying the challenge is to compete with the big 3 is like Sheff Wed saying we don’t want to try in the Championship because we want to compete with Man City, Arsenal & Liverpool, dream land. Personally I love the 6 Nations & look forward to it every year & like to see all the home nations do well in the World Cup but this constant moaning about “ Everyone hates England & that’s why we win nothing “ begins to rankle a bit.
Ireland 82 - 8 Romania
Big score in 35 degrees but glad Romania was their 1st game as Scotland & South Africa will punish the handling errors & line outs. Jonny Sexton passed Roman O’Gara’s World Cup scoring record for Ireland. Good start.
Probably the most uninspiring-looking England 23 in a long time. Not expecting much in the way of running rugby.
Possible embarrassing game on the cards.
Argies by 15
Decided, having read this thread, to give the game a go tonight.
I’m a big Rugby League fan, didn’t miss a Cas game home and away for 11 years, obviously I like my rugby, but I haven’t got a clue what’s going on here, seems the ref and the officials are what the crowd pay to go and watch.
Some 7 minutes to decide if it’s a yellow or red card or not, what’s all that about.
Don’t cry because you said goodbye to your pet, smile because you said hello
Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:34 pm
Decided, having read this thread, to give the game a go tonight.
I’m a big Rugby League fan, didn’t miss a Cas game home and away for 11 years, obviously I like my rugby, but I haven’t got a clue what’s going on here, seems the ref and the officials are what the crowd pay to go and watch.
Some 7 minutes to decide if it’s a yellow or red card or not, what’s all that about.
Tom Curry got a yellow card so is sin binned for 10 minutes where they officials then have 8 minutes to review the decision and to decide whether to upgrade it to a red or keep as a yellow
The red for Curry is very harsh, didn't really think it even warranted a yellow and the Argentine one looked worse and with intent.
Seems to have sparked England into life though and Ford is having his own drop goal competition , the 2nd one was class
PS, beginning to sound like an Everton fan
