Kiko Casilla

[1964white]

I made the point in the matchday thread that Kiko made the saves that needed making and kept us from going behind and potentially losing the game. This is a major difference to last year when BPF seemed to let in goals that should have been routine saves and we then went on to lose games. Even the little things like when he came off his line to block Wilkes (when KP forced Wilkes wide) shows the benefit of having a keeper that reads the play as if he'd stayed on his line Wilkes would have got to the ball and been able to have a shot.

One of the best signings we've made Weasel

Kiko is not only a keeper, he plays the role of a last ditch defender

Some fans behind me were saying 'What the fook is he doing'.....my answer was "he is obeying orders from Bielsa, that's the reason Marcelo signed a footballing keeper"

Kiko is as cool as a cucumber

[Cjay]

Brilliant today and really helped us out with the height disadvantage.

Two best keepers in the league on show today imo.

Kiko is fast becoming Mr Consistent

[Velotrax]

Brilliant today and really helped us out with the height disadvantage.

Two best keepers in the league on show today imo.

Kiko is fast becoming Mr Consistent

Totally agree mate, he saved us big time my MOTM, but must add only saw the last 20 mins

[1964white]

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[Cjay]

Daily Mail reporting that Kiko will be found guilty and is looking at a ban of between 8-12 games.

I dont believe he is a racist tbh, seems a popular lad and did at Madrid to.

Not to say he didnt say something racist but i think their is a difference.

Be very disappointed in him if he is found guilty.

Stupid and saying racist things is totally wrong.

Oh Kiko i hope you are innocent

[Irish Ian]

Seems bizarre FA uses lip readers, Spanish interpreters to try and make the case against him when it allowed it's own players to be subjected to appalling abuse recently when it could have "sent out a message" by calling their players off the pitch but lacked the bottle to do so.

I knew the fiasco in Bulgaria would rebound on Casilla.

Idiot if guilty.

More negative headlines coming our way.

[White Riot]

If this is true then Kiko is indefensibile.

If you thought the media had a feeding frenzy over Spygate, then this will be hugely magnified.

There must be some clear evidence if the FA is prepared to slap him this hard.

Shame, as he's hit top form this season, and along with Ben White, has been a major player in our great defensive record.

I guess Meslier, or Miazek, get to stake their claim and prove MB correct in saying that he has sufficient coverage throughout our squad.

I've got to say that if this is true, then Kiko is an absolute idiot. Racism in sport is a burning issue, globally and across every sport. So to put himself, and us, at the forefront of attention is incredibly naive. Just when the three Derby idiots had managed to take the spotlight off us, one of our most experienced pros effectively puts a burning cross on his front lawn.

No accounting for the stupidity of footballers, going back a long time, but Bowyer and Woodgate were a factor in our loss of momentum/distraction at the time and this may have a similar effect.

[Dietkebab]

This won’t be a popular opinion but if found guilty I believe Leeds should fire him.

The club should condemn his actions and take the most extreme disciplinary action possible which I guess this could come under gross misconduct or bringing the club into disrepute.

He has come good but as a club we have to show we won’t stand for it in any way at all.

[Irish Ian]

Been thinking about this s lot.

To be fair until society is prepared to have proper discussion about racism and what constitutes it organisations like the FA will struggle to come to grips with players who fall foul of those who are deemed to be guilty of it.

[rich_leeds64]

If guilty then he has to be punished but why is he looking at 8-12 games this is totally out of line with previous cases and not forgetting the £10K fine for Millwall and the £65k for Bulgaria. Complete inconsistency from the authorities

[Velotrax]

If guilty then he has to be punished but why is he looking at 8-12 games this is totally out of line with previous cases and not forgetting the £10K fine for Millwall and the £65k for Bulgaria. Complete inconsistency from the authorities

It's Leeds, EFL etc, why bring this to the fore before a crucial game?? thats pretty obvious, like spygate etc, all manipulated to attempt to derail us ...if Kiko, is guilty it would have been sorted weeks ago, but maybe the cleaner who was working in a bar close to the ground over heard her brothers daughter saying her best friends sister told her father that it's true?

[Sara]

From Twitter, so may be rubbish, but it's thought he used the word 'negrito', which doesn't have negative connotations in Spanish. He could have been saying something like, 'mark the black lad'. Using race as a descriptor isn't necessarily racist, the police do it all the time - although, of course, they are institutionally racist and ACAB! So, not necessarily intended as abuse, but lost in translation and could easily be misinterpreted.

Racism is endemic in society, and is a fallout from our colonial past. Until we move beyond the power structures left behind by imperialism, such inequalities will always be a problem. Much easier to castigate a Spanish goalkeeper for his use of language though... especially if he plays for Leeds.

It also seems the Daily Fail are claiming he has already been found guilty; a divisive and unsubstantiated story about Leeds, released on a matchday...

[lufc1304]

Excellent analysis, Sara

Also, it's the Daily Heil, wouldn't believe a word that rag publishes. I'm not saying it isn't true, but I'll take it with a pinch of salt until I see it reported from a more reliable source

[SG90]

I have two thoughts on it. 1. Why have the Daily Fail been told before the club have? 2. If false, I hope we take legal action against them and sue for huge damages.

[Cjay]

From Twitter, so may be rubbish, but it's thought he used the word 'negrito', which doesn't have negative connotations in Spanish. He could have been saying something like, 'mark the black lad'. Using race as a descriptor isn't necessarily racist, the police do it all the time - although, of course, they are institutionally racist and ACAB! So, not necessarily intended as abuse, but lost in translation and could easily be misinterpreted.

Racism is endemic in society, and is a fallout from our colonial past. Until we move beyond the power structures left behind by imperialism, such inequalities will always be a problem. Much easier to castigate a Spanish goalkeeper for his use of language though... especially if he plays for Leeds.

It also seems the Daily Fail are claiming he has already been found guilty; a divisive and unsubstantiated story about Leeds, released on a matchday...

Very well put

I did wonder if it was possible he said something in Spanish that may have been usual for him but may sound racist here.

I dont believe Kiko is a racist i really dont.

He used to sit next to Marcelo at Madrid and Marcelo spoke about how he missed having him their. I know just because he sat next to a black player it doesnt mean he isnt racist but he seemed very popular at Madrid and us, i dont think he is that sort of person.

At worst i think something is lost in translation

[Sara]

The bottom line is, I think Kiko is a professional player. Even if he held prejudiced views, I can't see him being daft enough to express them on the pitch.

[leedsmad]

From Twitter, so may be rubbish, but it's thought he used the word 'negrito', which doesn't have negative connotations in Spanish. He could have been saying something like, 'mark the black lad'. Using race as a descriptor isn't necessarily racist, the police do it all the time - although, of course, they are institutionally racist and ACAB! So, not necessarily intended as abuse, but lost in translation and could easily be misinterpreted.

Racism is endemic in society, and is a fallout from our colonial past. Until we move beyond the power structures left behind by imperialism, such inequalities will always be a problem. Much easier to castigate a Spanish goalkeeper for his use of language though... especially if he plays for Leeds.

It also seems the Daily Fail are claiming he has already been found guilty; a divisive and unsubstantiated story about Leeds, released on a matchday...

Sarah you are 100% correct .
I am Uruguayan was born there and lived there 6 years and the term "Negro" is used all the time if your mate is a darker colour .

Believe it or not it's not offensive gesture in Spanish it's the opposite , it's how close you regard them to you....I know it's sounds weird but trust me it's in our Culture.
I have a close mate who he goes by"Negro" and not by his first name Paul "Che que haces Negro" is a common thing you'll hear in South America and I'm not bullshitting you guys either.

[Sara]

That's an nteresting view from someone who knows the language culture. Let's see if these nuances are taken into consideration in Kiko's case...

[Irish Ian]

Personally I think Kiko will be found guilty, but I would hope Leeds would kick up plenty of dust if he does.

As the FA has either leaked the story officially or not it is an attempt to unsettle a fellow professional.
IE. Unsporting conduct.

[rab_rant]

Depending on where you live, and to which culture you belong to, and which language you speak
a word can have many connotations. Depending on which decade you lived the acceptable adjective
could have been black, (Black Panthers) coloured (White PC liberals) Afro American (Malcom X)

Much like the use of gender pronouns I suppose every "person of colour" would like to be referred
to with a specific adjective that they associate with and if you don't use the correct one then you could be classified as racist.

"Negroid" has traditionally been used within physical anthropology to denote one of the three
purported races of humankind, alongside Caucasoid and Mongoloid... and perhaps only Caucasoid
is viewed in a neutral light whereas the other two are deemed derogatory.

WIkipedia seems to say that in Spanish culture the word "Negro" (why do I have to use quotation marks)
only rarely has negative connotations. It makes an interesting read and I hope the FA realise that what
they are investigating is a clash of cultures and I hope they are not confused by the semantics of the case.

I wonder if the fungus Aspergillus niger would object to being called that if it had a voice?

Wikipedia Spanish use for the word Negro