The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Wednesday 21st September) - Chelsea target Orta for new Sporting Director Role

[WestgateRun]

You know how these things go...because Orta is being courted by Chelsea, LUFC will end up giving him a pay rise to keep him.

[1964white]

You know how these things go...because Orta is being courted by Chelsea, LUFC will end up giving him a pay rise to keep him.

Orta is already on a decent salary, spending his earnings on his jollies during the last six weeks of the transfer window

[Mountain]

He had a say in the player signing in the first place.

If Bielsa doesn't agree to the player coming then we don't get to the point of discussing financial.

Bielsa isn't responsible for the actual financial aspect, but he is responsible for agreeing to sign JKA in the first place.

Yes. There is the butterfly flaps its wings theory. If JKA wasn't born none of this would have happened, so his mother is as much to blame as Bielsa.

But the Court case about JKA is about the contract, not his existence, not how he came to be in Leeds. If there is fault, blame, negligence, it all centres on the paperwork. Whoever okayed the paperwork signed off on the issue that gave rise to the litigation.

[Jaydog]

Nice little welcome from you Kennyboy.

I welcomed Prut & Carnell a few months ago.

Kennys welcomes are different to yours Leon.
You welcome people in a nice polite manner and Kenny does it like the Kray Twins

[1964white]

The big question is, will we get someone better?

[1964white]

Kennys welcomes are different to yours Leon.
You welcome people in a nice polite manner and Kenny does it like the Kray Twins

[Jaydog]

The big question is, will we get someone better?

Be careful what you wish for. Is that what you mean

[Cjay]

JKA pulled his hamstring. Who knew that would happen?
Then Covid arrived and he 1. Was infected leading to long covid which led to him getting depression ( new country living in isolation etc etc etc dont underestimate how that could affect a young person in a new job, country etc. ) and 2 the then had something called Guillain-Barré syndrome.

No research could have unearthed that.

None.

Given his clear lack of fitness and the intensity Bielsa demanded I think most people could predict him getting injuries.

As Phil Hay said in his article "Bielsa tried to introduce him slowly but it lead to him pulling his hamstring".

JKA worked to try and get over it tbf but again as soon as normal training resumed his body couldn't cope and by this point Bielsa and his teammates had grown frustrated.

Bielsa made it clear after this that JKA was a player he couldn't work with.

His mental health issues are sad but his bodies failure to cope with Bielsa's methods as PhilHay said in an article was predictable given his clear lack of fitness and match practice.

[1964white]

Be careful what you wish for. Is that what you mean

Yes another way of saying it Jay.

Kennyboy will put us all right

[Cjay]

Yes. There is the butterfly flaps its wings theory. If JKA wasn't born none of this would have happened, so his mother is as much to blame as Bielsa.

But the Court case about JKA is about the contract, not his existence, not how he came to be in Leeds. If there is fault, blame, negligence, it all centres on the paperwork. Whoever okayed the paperwork signed off on the issue that gave rise to the litigation.

Yes I agree onthe paperwork and whatnot.

Whoever okayed everything is mainly at fault.

Orta is at fault for recommending a player clearly miles off the required fitness Bielsa demanded in the first place.

He and Kinnear and ultimately Radz are at fault for agreeing to such stupid terms.

And Bielsa is at fault for okaying the player as a signing in the first place.

There is a level of blame, Bielsa is bottom of it but not totally blameless.

That's all meant.

[Jaydog]

Yes another way of saying it Jay.

Kennyboy will put us all right

I’m sure he will
I don’t really feel qualified to comment on Orta.
I’ve never done that job. And I don’t have enough behind the scenes info to make a judgement.
All I can say is if some people on here were running the courts you’d get lynched for riding a bike on the pavement.
There should be a PL table of clubs success on this front. How that would work I don’t know but it would be interesting

[DDB220]

If JKA had lived up to his billing he would have been a masterstroke. We were desperate for another forward at the time and deferring payment with conditions was not a bad decision at the time. Trying to wheeze their way out of the obligations to pay having realised he could not cope with the fitness demands may prove to be the biggest error. Football is full of transfer tragedies, miss-steps and seemingly incompetence.
The biggest cause of all this for me was desperation. Small squads and injuries can create such a situation when the promotion season was in danger of suffering the same outcome as the previous one.

Orta is very very good at what he does. The nature of transfers always carry risks. Quoting De Bock and Grot who were relatively cheap and punts is hardly any grounds to suggest he has bought rubbish. The successes far out weigh the apparent failures.
Orta is highly thought of by a number of clubs across the continent - obviously Must be deluded and do not understand football as well as the average fan.

[Irish Ian]

Given his clear lack of fitness and the intensity Bielsa demanded I think most people could predict him getting injuries.

As Phil Hay said in his article "Bielsa tried to introduce him slowly but it lead to him pulling his hamstring".

JKA worked to try and get over it tbf but again as soon as normal training resumed his body couldn't cope and by this point Bielsa and his teammates had grown frustrated.

Bielsa made it clear after this that JKA was a player he couldn't work with.

His mental health issues are sad but his bodies failure to cope with Bielsa's methods as PhilHay said in an article was predictable given his clear lack of fitness and match practice.

He wasnt up to Leeds fitness levels when he arrived at Leeds who ever is? Noone is at Bielsas required levels when they join.
( and soon pulled his hamstring)

Blame the trainers.

The ongoing fitness issues were after the squad started together again after lockdown.
By then he had had COVID and was suffering from depression.

So again I say who could predict COVID 19 and two add on illnesses.

Not anyone.

[The Subhuman]

I’m sure he will
I don’t really feel qualified to comment on Orta.
I’ve never done that job. And I don’t have enough behind the scenes info to make a judgement.
All I can say is if some people on here were running the courts you’d get lynched for riding a bike on the pavement.
There should be a PL table of clubs success on this front. How that would work I don’t know but it would be interesting

No one here has, doesn't stop them jumping to conclusions that are probably heavily biased and based on f**k all

[Jaydog]

No one here has, doesn't stop them jumping to conclusions that are probably heavily biased and based on f**k all

If we could only comment on what we knew about then the world would have a lot less s**t in it and therefore a thicker ozone layer. Save the planet, stop talking s**t

[Kennyb41]

If JKA had lived up to his billing he would have been a masterstroke. We were desperate for another forward at the time and deferring payment with conditions was not a bad decision at the time. Trying to wheeze their way out of the obligations to pay having realised he could not cope with the fitness demands may prove to be the biggest error. Football is full of transfer tragedies, miss-steps and seemingly incompetence.
The biggest cause of all this for me was desperation. Small squads and injuries can create such a situation when the promotion season was in danger of suffering the same outcome as the previous one.

Orta is very very good at what he does. The nature of transfers always carry risks. Quoting De Bock and Grot who were relatively cheap and punts is hardly any grounds to suggest he has bought rubbish. The successes far out weigh the apparent failures.
Orta is highly thought of by a number of clubs across the continent - obviously Must be deluded and do not understand football as well as the average fan.

Costa fckin fortune? Nearly wipes out Raph profit.

If i remember correctly our super dooper 2nd's built by our clown got relegated from a s**t league recently, a league about conference standard ?

One of the 'magic' players whom some thought will be tearing up trees in the Prem - Lewis Bate is it ? Currently plying his trade where ? Why did it not work out at Chelsea for Lewis huh? Chelsea : " offload him for a couple of mill to that fcker at Leeds, he likes backhanders"

Sam Greenwood at Arsenal, so well thought of, that they jumpd at the chance to offload him and recoup something, in fact anything. They kept Nketiah though

Have we sold anyone else for profit ?

[Kennyb41]

No one here has, doesn't stop them jumping to conclusions that are probably heavily biased and based on f**k all

Here, i'll tell ya what first brought Orta to my attention, i don't usually pay naff all attention to background staff etc.

A few year back now i decided to go watch Leeds live and was in the East stand, Sack of shite was playing, this guy had 2 of the leftest feet i've ever seen in my life, he was never gonna win Strictly come dancing in a million years.

I decided to pay particular attention to him to see if i could find anything, the guy was useless, hopeless and everything else rolled into one, i thought he was on drugs.

I actually went onto a forum to discuss about him, there were actually numpties there praising him and asking for his selection in the next games !!!

It's then i found out about Orta and i also went and Googled him.

There's more i could add, but i'll finish with this : Orta went and bought him AFTER his trial period.

Now that told me everything i needed to know about the prick...

1. He's either taking backhanders or

2. He's in the wrong fcking game and must have the gift of the gab.

Btw, where is our little wonder signing playing now, did we make gazillions on him or spunk another 4m down the swannie?

Little punts accumulate.

[Irish Ian]

If we could only comment on what we knew about then the world would have a lot less s**t in it and therefore a thicker ozone layer. Save the planet, stop talking s**t

I think this forum has a pretty thick bozone layer.

[The Subhuman]

I think this forum has a pretty thick bozone layer.

lol...

[Jaydog]

I think this forum has a pretty thick bozone layer.

Boyzone maybe