Daniel Farke

[1964white]

It's easy to blame lack of pace Leon but I have run that replay a dozen times at least.

1. Kamara doesnt try to close them down. He should have helped Summerville out. That was his job and he failed and this exposed us one on one. For most of the first half he was a spectator. He was at fault for not doing his job.
2. Cooper tries to play the offside trap but the rest arent on the same page. Step up and it's easy for the linesman.
3. It was a hell of a ball and a brilliant finish to boot.

I still believe we'd have been more organised with Rodon at the back, Ian.

I do think Kamara, Summerville or Ampadu, should have done better tracking Smallbone for their 2nd goal, I believe they were all marking fresh air.

[malcolmw]

To be fair to Coops, he had a good game vs Watford, but the key is, he was marking one of the worst No.9s I've clapped eyes on, as Watford fans claimed on one of their forums, Rajovic was slow, sluggish, no movement & spent his time kicking Cooper & the Leeds defenders.

Today's opposition was a totally different kettle of fish altogether, plenty of pace & movement with some clinical finishing if our defence wasn't up to it, truth is they weren't. As for leadership skills, I saw none of it today.

That captain's armband should have been sorted prior to the start of the season.

I posted up at the beginning that Cooper would be lucky to play 15 to 20 games this season due to his injury/age.
record. So far we've been captained by Cooper, Ayling & Struijk.

Ampadu or Rodon should have got the armband, too late now!

Not sure the captain role could've been sorted before the season. We didn't have a complete squad until 4 games in.
That role depends on who the players see as natural leader. We don't really know who that is among the newer guys.
I dont see how you can make Rodon captain - he's new to the group and may only be here a year??
Ampadu- definitely- I've said so all along.
But you couldn't have decided that before the season started.

I do agree Rodon has to start. I think Struijk has to be captain, and have Coops and Luke mentor him into it.

[1964white]

Asked Farke about leaving out Rodon. Said Rodon had been very good this season but not perfect either. More to the point, said it would have sent the wrong message changing the team after they played as they did against Watford.

Majority of Leeds fans singing out of the same hymn book.

[Jaydog]

“and you go in at HT 3-0 down I would have thrown bottles and killed someone.”

Beats a hair dryer

[Phild]

Not sure what it is.
We’ve seen this for years.
Cooper plays 3 or 4 games, gets injured, out for several weeks and when fit comes straight back in.
No continuity in central defence .

[Sean_Nile]

“and you go in at HT 3-0 down I would have thrown bottles and killed someone.”

Beats a hair dryer

Oh how we sang his praises when he trapped that ball during the Watford game... so easily we forget.

[1964white]

Oh how we sang his praises when he trapped that ball during the Watford game... so easily we forget.

No, we don't forget, he deserved the fan's criticism for being pig-headed & thinking Coops is still one of our first choice CB's this season.

[1964white]

Not sure what it is.
We’ve seen this for years.
Cooper plays 3 or 4 games, gets injured, out for several weeks and when fit comes straight back in.
No continuity in central defence .

All down to him being captain, a crazy situation!

It's like scum if they stuck with Maguire, Southgate still does at the highest level.

[Jaydog]

Oh how we sang his praises when he trapped that ball during the Watford game... so easily we forget.

I was quoting Farke, Sean.
That’s what he said post match.

[Kennyb41]

That's exactly what he meant he just didn't say it very well.
Rodon knew he was on a yellow and went in knowing he risked getting another.

This is what i'm thinking, and i'm not sure i like it from DF, did he 'punish' Rodon yesterday for getting the 2nd yellow stupidly thus sent off, and then saw no need to play him after 3-0 v Watford ?

He himself got punished yesterday if he did.

[Irish Ian]

This is what i'm thinking, and i'm not sure i like it from DF, did he 'punish' Rodon yesterday for getting the 2nd yellow stupidly thus sent off, and then saw no need to play him after 3-0 v Watford ?

He himself got punished yesterday if he did.

From what I have learned about DF he isnt afraid to speak to players who he feels need readjustment. I wonder in the Rodon case that perhaps DF warned him at HT about the danger he was in and was then annoyed he was ignored, or more likely in my mind was unhappy with Rodons attitude after the game.?

Make no mistake if it wasnt for them hitting the post when they ripped us open in the last minute we would have left with nothing. Was that playing on DFs mind? How close we came?

Tell you what though, if we had have lost then I dont think the fanbase would forget Rodons mistake in short order.

[Boo Radley]

Tiny mistake.

Coops got caught wanting & had no pace to recover the situation, as I thought would be the case, as soon as the team was announced, facing a pacey Saints attack.

My positive mood went immediately

Tiny mistake it certainly wasn't!

Southampton's confidence was on the floor and their support were in dread of playing " high flying Leeds". The pime objective in that game had should have been to avoid giving them any hope and ride out the initial onslaught from them in their efforts to keep a disillusioned support onside.

Up steps Cooper with his "tiny mistake" and the destiny of the game is completely turned on it's head. Suddenly they believe, they see the holes in our set up and they cut loose.

That was not a tiny mistake. It was a massive one and that cost us the game because our plans and confidence disappeared to the same degree as theirs increased.

Cooper should not have been on the pitch with Rodon available. Just because he survived against a rubbish Watford team in ER should not entitle him to play away to the remnants of a PL team that are still fancied to contest a promotion spot. Horses for courses - Always put your best team out.

[1964white]

Tiny mistake it certainly wasn't!

Southampton's confidence was on the floor and their support were in dread of playing " high flying Leeds". The pime objective in that game had should have been to avoid giving them any hope and ride out the initial onslaught from them in their efforts to keep a disillusioned support onside.

Up steps Cooper with his "tiny mistake" and the destiny of the game is completely turned on it's head. Suddenly they believe, they see the holes in our set up and they cut loose.

That was not a tiny mistake. It was a massive one and that cost us the game because our plans and confidence disappeared to the same degree as theirs increased.

Cooper should not have been on the pitch with Rodon available. Just because he survived against a rubbish Watford team in ER should not entitle him to play away to the remnants of a PL team that are still fancied to contest a promotion spot. Horses for courses - Always put your best team out.

As we age, your legs & body doesn't do what your brain is telling you!

That's the problem with both Coops & Ayling, they should be bit players when we have our shiny new signings available.

They are not definite starters, hopefully Daniel has now sussed it.

[geronimo]

As we age, your legs & body doesn't do what your brain is telling you!

That's the problem with both Coops & Ayling, they should be bit players when we have our shiny new signings available.

They are not definite starter, hopefully Daniel has now sussed it.

If farke hasn't realised that both cooper and ayling ain't good enough then we are in big trouble
The amount of points them two alone will cost Leeds over a season will run in to double figures , plus mesliers antics it's like a circus in our defence half the time

[Orange Box]

As we age, your legs & body doesn't do what your brain is telling you!

Mine do. I tell them to lay down …. et voila!

[Cjay]

Without causing an argument.

At what point is Farke judged purely on results (which haven't been good enough) and his tactical choices (which also at times leave a lot to be desired)?

I get lots of turmoil in the summer (we weren't alone in that though).

And he did handle that well and he speaks with honesty and at times we have played some very nice stuff.

But 3 wins from 9 with some very odd tactical choices is poor (worse than Thomas Christensen never mind Bielsa).

On paper we should be top 2.

Results don't change today then we are 12 points from the top whilst Leicester who had their fair share of turmoil this summer thrive under a novice.

I expected better from Farke, but then having read about him maybe I didn't.

Anyway (not looking for an argument) but at what point is he judged purely on the here and now?

Because judged on that it's poor.

Russell Martin was under pressure at Southampton for his poor start, we are on the same points.

[Kennyb41]

From what I have learned about DF he isnt afraid to speak to players who he feels need readjustment. I wonder in the Rodon case that perhaps DF warned him at HT about the danger he was in and was then annoyed he was ignored, or more likely in my mind was unhappy with Rodons attitude after the game.?

Make no mistake if it wasnt for them hitting the post when they ripped us open in the last minute we would have left with nothing. Was that playing on DFs mind? How close we came?

Tell you what though, if we had have lost then I dont think the fanbase would forget Rodons mistake in short order.

I agree, he seems to stand by his principles, that's why yesterday when there was no Rodon on the team sheet i commented about there being perhaps a slight injury concern, i'm now thinking it was intentional and a lesson to him.

I want to see team selection for the QPR game to see if it's more than that and is an issue.

I don't think (at least i hope) DF is stupid enough to not see there were problems v Watford with PS on the right, and i now think he thought he'd be ok again against Soton, he wasn't, so let's see the response on Weds night.

Could be a case of biting your nose off to spite your face, and i hope there's no tension now between player and manager.

[Kennyb41]

Without causing an argument.

At what point is Farke judged purely on results (which haven't been good enough) and his tactical choices (which also at times leave a lot to be desired)?

I get lots of turmoil in the summer (we weren't alone in that though).

And he did handle that well and he speaks with honesty and at times we have played some very nice stuff.

But 3 wins from 9 with some very odd tactical choices is poor (worse than Thomas Christensen never mind Bielsa).

On paper we should be top 2.

Results don't change today then we are 12 points from the top whilst Leicester who had their fair share of turmoil this summer thrive under a novice.

I expected better from Farke, but then having read about him maybe I didn't.

Anyway (not looking for an argument) but at what point is he judged purely on the here and now?

Because judged on that it's poor.

If anybody on here goes from one extreme to the other it's yourself.

Imo bar yesterday every problem he's faced has been handled with aplomb, and there are good reasons for early season results.

Yesterday was different for the first time, there's a good few decisions yesterday which need addressing and i can't be arsed to go into them all, i want to see his and our reaction on the pitch come QPR and Bristol City, there is no need atm to have a crystal ball out because of 'that' yesterday.

Rodon should come back.
Ayling should start.
I'm not bothered Cooper or Pascal, but feel Pascal.
Jimmy needs a good talking to.
James needs switching or to come on from the bench imv.
He needs to address all of the 4-2-3-1, especially the 2-3 part.

There were other issues as well, but like i said i can't be arsed and will wait

[Cjay]

If anybody on here goes from one extreme to the other it's yourself.

Imo bar yesterday every problem he's faced has been handled with aplomb, and there are good reasons for early season results.

Yesterday was different for the first time, there's a good few decisions yesterday which need addressing and i can't be arsed to go into them all, i want to see his and our reaction on the pitch come QPR and Bristol City, there is no need atm to have a crystal ball out because of 'that' yesterday.

Rodon should come back.
Ayling should start.
I'm not bothered Cooper or Pascal, but feel Pascal.
Jimmy needs a good talking to.
James needs switching or to come on from the bench imv.
He needs to address all of the 4-2-3-1, especially the 2-3 part.

There were other issues as well, but like i said i can't be arsed and will wait

I think he has had a lot of leeway.

Talk yesterday was how awful a job Russell Martin had done, Southampton fans wanted him sacked, well we are on the same points now.

Failing to beat Sheffield Wednesday (only team who hasnt).

If they say you judge after 10 games to hit the ppg to get automatic at that mark we need to win both our next 2 games.

We will see.

But tactically Farke doesn't convince me, his choices at times are odd and he has a very strange relationship with substitutions.

[Kennyb41]

I think he has had a lot of leeway.

Talk yesterday was how awful a job Russell Martin had done, Southampton fans wanted him sacked, well we are on the same points now.

Failing to beat Sheffield Wednesday (only team who hasnt).

If they say you judge after 10 games to hit the ppg to get automatic at that mark we need to win both our next 2 games.

We will see.

But tactically Farke doesn't convince me, his choices at times are odd and he has a very strange relationship with substitutions.

Like you said, you don't want an argument.

QPR and Bristol City are next.