QPR v Leeds Utd - Post Match Discussion

[1964white]

This excuse needs to stop, it's giving Farke an excuse he doesn't deserve.

For this level this squad is deep and quality filled.

Greenwood and Ayling who he didn't even want play for the side in 10th in this league.

Cresswell and Gelhardt were wanted by various Championship clubs including Sunderland and Boro.

Cody Drameh and Poveda are regulars for teams in this league.

The players Farke doesn't even use would get starts for a lot of this league.

Cooper was wanted by Blackburn and Stoke in January.

Jaidon Anthony was a starting winger for promotion winning Bournemouth a few years ago and a regular last season for Premier league Bournemouth last season.

Criticising the squad is absolutely ludicrous, for this level whether we as fans rate them or not it's top level.

Championship teams don't normally have last seasons team of the year right back on the bench as we have.

We literally have the top scorer in this league over the last 2 seasons and many of our fans want him benched (you think that's a normal luxury at this level).

This Is as deep a squad as you could ask for at this level and we need to stop this narrative that it's in somehow an issue because it gives Farke an out he doesn't deserve.

He's managed it appallingly incidentally.

Gray, Rodon, Ampadu, Rutter, Summerville must be absolutely knackered.

Drameh (horrible attitude) & Poveda playing for two teams fighting relegation.

Ayling past his sell-by-date at top level, bless him! Greenwood never impressed me, both playing for Boro' who have been mid-table or below all season.

Cooper wanted by two championship clubs near the bottom of the table.

Jaidon Anthony hasn't shown a lot.

Gelhardt has gone backwards.

£15m on a supposedly No.9 who is scared of entering the penalty box.

Play the blame game all you like but, there are many reasons why we have struggled in certain periods of this season.

[Johnsie123]

Believe it or not I said exactly the same that were not interested and totally bottled it,and I really do not want to see us go up to get battered by the other premier league teams they need to spend 60 mill plus on that team .

[Notwell]

Drameh (horrible attitude) & Poveda playing for two teams fighting relegation.

Ayling past his sell-by-date at top level, bless him! Greenwood never impressed me, both playing for Boro' who have been mid-table or below all season.

Cooper wanted by two championship clubs near the bottom of the table.

Jaidon Anthony hasn't shown a lot.

Gelhardt has gone backwards.

£15m on a supposedly No.9 who is scared of entering the penalty box.

Play the blame game all you like but, there are many reasons why we have struggled in certain periods of this season.

I agree to most, but think he should have used Mateo Joseph more.
As others have written, Gray has been used too much whoever can play instead. You just can't do that with a 17 year old. Whatever the target is.

And could replacements have done worse versus QPR? That's an afterthought, but I think the team is totally knackered. Its been obvious for some time. Rest a few players next match, or just do do the subs early.

[Cjay]

Drameh (horrible attitude) & Poveda playing for two teams fighting relegation.

Ayling past his sell-by-date at top level, bless him! Greenwood never impressed me, both playing for Boro' who have been mid-table or below all season.

Cooper wanted by two championship clubs near the bottom of the table.

Jaidon Anthony hasn't shown a lot.

Gelhardt has gone backwards.

£15m on a supposedly No.9 who is scared of entering the penalty box.

Play the blame game all you like but, there are many reasons why we have struggled in certain periods of this season.

Middlesbrough now 8th.

How can we say Gelhardt has gone backwards and Anthony hasn't shown much? Anthony has only played 5 games worth of minutes in the league.

Gelhardt has played a grand total of 2 matches worth of minutes.

£15mil on a player Farke wanted, he is in charge as Kinnear said himself so if Anthony or Spence or Piroe aren't good enough or whatever that is on him?

His use of the squad has been awful all season.

Remember when people defended him earlier this season by saying the players he was bringing off the bench clearly weren't good enough for more than 10-15minutes?

Players like Bamford and Firpo and Gnonto? That changed quickly didn't it when they actually got more minutes.

People have been making excuses for him all season.

Is he not responsible in any way for 1 win in 7 and conceding the most goals in that time?

If players are tired after the international break why not rotate more? Make earlier subs?

He has absolutely flogged Gray, Ampadu, Rutter, Summerville (both of them playing through injury for ages as he said himself) and Rodon to death.

Is it any wonder it's caught up with us?

Don't keep playing people like Georgie who is clearly struggling?

Cresswell good enough for 8th placed Boro to want but not good enough at all for Farke?

His subs are bonkers, his game management is dire and his tactical setup has been poor in multiple games awy from home

[Jaydog]

You’d be hard pressed to argue that his subs were correct last night. One meaningful sub actually as 4 came after it was 3-0 and already game over. So just Joseph for Byram to change the game. And that was on 63 minutes.
He actually made 2 subs in the 88th minute at 4-0.
Just a very bad night for him all told.

[White Riot]

You’d be hard pressed to argue that his subs were correct last night. One meaningful sub actually as 4 came after it was 3-0 and already game over. So just Joseph for Byram to change the game. And that was on 63 minutes.
He actually made 2 subs in the 88th minute at 4-0.
Just a very bad night for him all told.

And kept Piroe on the pitch

Terrible tactics and team selection, and the plyers themselves were awful.

Firpo and Joseph had a go and that's about all.

Incidentally I heard a stat that Meslier has faced 8 shots on target in the last two matches and conceded 7 out of 8, but like most of them Farke automatically picks them regardless of form or performance.

Poor coaching, and I don't think his man management is that great either.

[White Riot]

Middlesbrough now 8th.

How can we say Gelhardt has gone backwards and Anthony hasn't shown much? Anthony has only played 5 games worth of minutes in the league.

Gelhardt has played a grand total of 2 matches worth of minutes.

£15mil on a player Farke wanted, he is in charge as Kinnear said himself so if Anthony or Spence or Piroe aren't good enough or whatever that is on him?

His use of the squad has been awful all season.

Remember when people defended him earlier this season by saying the players he was bringing off the bench clearly weren't good enough for more than 10-15minutes?

Players like Bamford and Firpo and Gnonto? That changed quickly didn't it when they actually got more minutes.

People have been making excuses for him all season.

Is he not responsible in any way for 1 win in 7 and conceding the most goals in that time?

If players are tired after the international break why not rotate more? Make earlier subs?

He has absolutely flogged Gray, Ampadu, Rutter, Summerville (both of them playing through injury for ages as he said himself) and Rodon to death.

Is it any wonder it's caught up with us?

Don't keep playing people like Georgie who is clearly struggling?

Cresswell good enough for 8th placed Boro to want but not good enough at all for Farke?

His subs are bonkers, his game management is dire and his tactical setup has been poor in multiple games awy from home

100% Cjay

To add to his poor coaching most of these players are just a bunch of bottle jobs, no different to those lot that are out on loan.

As we've discussed all season, I had doubts about Farke at EPL level, but I now seriously question him even at this level. He's got one of the best squads in the Championship, much better than Bielsa's, and not used it correctly.

I'm still livid with that disgrace of a non-performance last night, but I guess it was just the culmination of what was brewing over the last two months, and even the whole season.

Start again folks, cos Farke is defo not the answer at this level, never mind if we'd got promoted.

[pandagirl]

Maybe this is a blessing in disguise
can you imagine how we would have done in the PL with these players?
Bamford (and ive said this to my family going back even before the PL days), has been unreliable, always has.
- We would get hammered in the PL.
- My main concern is we might not even get play offs like this.

[Jaydog]

Maybe this is a blessing in disguise
can you imagine how we would have done in the PL with these players?
Bamford (and ive said this to my family going back even before the PL days), has been unreliable, always has.
- We would get hammered in the PL.
- My main concern is we might not even get play offs like this.

I’m confused. When you say might not get in the play offs do you mean might not get promoted through them??

[Phild]

CJ is absolutely right with most things
Our squad depth is WAY WAY better than any other in this league both this season and arguably many previous seasons
Feel throughout the season we have never been a side that plays well as a collective team from back to front and compact when needed
More of inspirational moments in games
Many mid table and lower table sides have matched us for long periods in games and had chances where we went onto win
Guess a combination of issues over the season

[SG90]

Middlesbrough now 8th.

How can we say Gelhardt has gone backwards and Anthony hasn't shown much? Anthony has only played 5 games worth of minutes in the league.

Gelhardt has played a grand total of 2 matches worth of minutes.

£15mil on a player Farke wanted, he is in charge as Kinnear said himself so if Anthony or Spence or Piroe aren't good enough or whatever that is on him?

His use of the squad has been awful all season.

Remember when people defended him earlier this season by saying the players he was bringing off the bench clearly weren't good enough for more than 10-15minutes?

Players like Bamford and Firpo and Gnonto? That changed quickly didn't it when they actually got more minutes.

People have been making excuses for him all season.

Is he not responsible in any way for 1 win in 7 and conceding the most goals in that time?

If players are tired after the international break why not rotate more? Make earlier subs?

He has absolutely flogged Gray, Ampadu, Rutter, Summerville (both of them playing through injury for ages as he said himself) and Rodon to death.

Is it any wonder it's caught up with us?

Don't keep playing people like Georgie who is clearly struggling?

Cresswell good enough for 8th placed Boro to want but not good enough at all for Farke?

His subs are bonkers, his game management is dire and his tactical setup has been poor in multiple games awy from home

Well said

Tired of the excuses Farke is given for making his own mess. Also tired of hearing how the likes of Cresswell, Gelhardt, Anthony, Shack etc aren't good enough when they haven't had a chance.

[Kennyb41]

CJ is absolutely right with most things
Our squad depth is WAY WAY better than any other in this league both this season and arguably many previous seasons
Feel throughout the season we have never been a side that plays well as a collective team from back to front and compact when needed
More of inspirational moments in games
Many mid table and lower table sides have matched us for long periods in games and had chances where we went onto win
Guess a combination of issues over the season

No it is not, he has scrambled together something out of nothing, the vast majority of which are totally unproven in the English game prior to this season start, he has picked up some of Ortas shite and turned them into a team capable of chasing promotion.

He has worked wonders since the start all round.

These players are NOT that good.

He found a formula to make them tick together, teams now have our number completely, it is up to him and them to try and rectify the situ.

[Sean_Nile]

Let's have a bit of Neil and Adel at QPR

[Cjay]

100% Cjay

To add to his poor coaching most of these players are just a bunch of bottle jobs, no different to those lot that are out on loan.

As we've discussed all season, I had doubts about Farke at EPL level, but I now seriously question him even at this level. He's got one of the best squads in the Championship, much better than Bielsa's, and not used it correctly.

I'm still livid with that disgrace of a non-performance last night, but I guess it was just the culmination of what was brewing over the last two months, and even the whole season.

Start again folks, cos Farke is defo not the answer at this level, never mind if we'd got promoted.

He's actually the anti Bielsa in so many ways and shares characteristics with the much maligned and even mocked Jesse Marsch.

The wingers tuck in, the full backs provide the width in theory (same as March).

Passing and attacks are focused primarily in one place (Marsch was central and Farke is central/left).

Bielsa hated possession for the sake of it, Farke is happy with it.

Bielsa hated backwards and sideways passing, Farke is fine with it.

Bielsa believed the pitch should be made as wide as possible to increase space and use the full width, Farke condenses the space with his tactics.

He's very keen on talking himself up and what he's done (same as Marsch).

He's even used the much debated xG as a defence this season, same as Marsch.

Take out the pressing and his tactics aren't Bielsa like at all and in fact are polar opposite

[Phild]

The unproven ones please
Then provide Ipswich’s unproven ones please

[Cjay]

Well said

Tired of the excuses Farke is given for making his own mess. Also tired of hearing how the likes of Cresswell, Gelhardt, Anthony, Shack etc aren't good enough when they haven't had a chance.

Yeah not keen on players being deemed not good enough without being given a chance.

You can't judge players on 10-15 minute cameos as was said about people like Gnonto earlier this season when it happened to him.

Maybe they aren't good enough but it's based on opinion not evidence.

Snacks is a crock though

[Cjay]

CJ is absolutely right with most things
Our squad depth is WAY WAY better than any other in this league both this season and arguably many previous seasons
Feel throughout the season we have never been a side that plays well as a collective team from back to front and compact when needed
More of inspirational moments in games
Many mid table and lower table sides have matched us for long periods in games and had chances where we went onto win
Guess a combination of issues over the season

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[SG90]

Yeah not keen on players being deemed not good enough without being given a chance.

You can't judge players on 10-15 minute cameos as was said about people like Gnonto earlier this season when it happened to him.

Maybe they aren't good enough but it's based on opinion not evidence.

Snacks is a crock though

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I think it's to toe the "Farke is unquestionable" line, you have to tell yourself they're not good enough.

If AC Milan want CC, that says it all for me. Still makes the England u21 squad too despite being frozen out.

Games where sides parked the bus at ER like Sunderland and Blackburn, CC's threat in the box from corners could've made a huge difference.

[SG90]

No it is not, he has scrambled together something out of nothing, the vast majority of which are totally unproven in the English game prior to this season start, he has picked up some of Ortas shite and turned them into a team capable of chasing promotion.

He has worked wonders since the start all round.

These players are NOT that good.

He found a formula to make them tick together, teams now have our number completely, it is up to him and them to try and rectify the situ.

[Phild]

Kenny if you need help with Ipswich’s unproven players at this level I’ll copy and paste their entire squad!!!