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Good Morning. It's Monday 24th November, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


That sinking feeling is back

Aston Villa produced a spirited second-half comeback to claim a 2-1 victory over Leeds United at Elland Road on Sunday lunchtime, with Morgan Rogers the hero for the Villains. Leeds struck early in chaotic fashion just eight minutes in, when a Sean Longstaff free-kick was nodded back across goal by Gabriel Gudmundsson. Villa keeper Emi Martinez found himself beaten in the air by Anton Stach, whose header was cleared off the line only to deflect in off Lukas Nmecha. The goal stood after a lengthy VAR check, giving Leeds a slice of fortune they’ve often lacked this season. Buoyed by the early breakthrough, Leeds showed grit and determination, holding their own against a technically superior Villa side. Yet their defensive frailties at one end and lack of cutting edge at the other remain an obvious concern.

The visitors needed a spark after the break and manager Unai Emery found one through his half-time team talk. Just two minutes into the second half, substitute Donyell Malen delivered a sharp low cross that Rogers cleverly flicked past Lucas Perri to level the score. Villa’s momentum grew, and with 15 minutes remaining, Rogers struck again; this time with a free-kick from the edge of the box that kept Lukas Perri rooted to the spot. The hosts thought they’d equalised almost immediately, but VAR intervened once more, ruling out Dan James' effort as Dominic Calvert-Lewin handled the ball on its way in.

For Leeds, the defeat was a painful one, dragging them into the drop zone and increasing the pressure on under-fire boss Daniel Farke. A third consecutive loss, their seventh of the season will have supporters worried, and the questions around Farke’s future are becoming louder.





Odds tumble on Whites relegation

That sinking feeling is becoming all too familiar for the Elland Road faithful. Aston Villa came from behind to inflict more misery on Daniel Farke’s side at the weekend, the consequences were all too predictable! The 7th defeat of the season saw the Whites slump into the relegation zone for the very first time this campaign, setting the alarm bells ringing louder than ever. It’s not just the fans who are worried; the cold, hard numbers from the bookmakers paint an even bleaker picture.

Leading bookmaker Bet365 has dramatically slashed Leeds United's survival odds, now positioning them as one of the clear favourites for the drop. With odds of 5/4, they sit as the third-most likely team to face relegation, behind only the seemingly doomed Wolves (1/14) and a struggling Burnley (1/4). To put that into perspective, they are now considered a greater relegation risk than West Ham (11/8) and are seen as significantly more vulnerable than fellow strugglers like Nottingham Forest (5/1) and Fulham (6/1).

For Daniel Farke, he is literally a dead man walking. It will be miraculous if he can survive the next 48 hours. A glance at the upcoming fixture list for the remainder of 2025 offers little in the way of an escape route! Trips to title-chasers Manchester City and Liverpool, with a home tie with Chelsea in-between is likely to extend losing losing run to six consecutive games.

After that, they face a tough visit to Brentford, a must-win home tie against Crystal Palace, and a final away day at the Stadium of Light. Looking at that schedule, it’s genuinely difficult to pinpoint where the next points are coming from. The combination of poor form, a perilous league position, and a horror-show of a run-in has created a perfect storm, and it will take a monumental turnaround to steer the ship away from the Championship trap door.





49ers actively interviewing managerial candidates

The storm clouds are gathering over Elland Road, and Daniel Farke finds himself right in the eye of it. The 2-1 loss to Villa has not only dragged Leeds into the Premier League’s bottom three for the first time this campaign, but nudged them below the ‘point per game’ threshold, a statistical red flag as far as 49ers Enterprises are concerned.

Behind the scenes, 49ers Enterprises are already deep into the recruitment process of lining up a suitable replacement. A leaked “2025 Investment Summary pitch” that went out to new potential investors, recently made its way to the New York Times, where former BBC football reporter Matt Slater exposed all.

Within the fifty slides (of Marathe) presentation :), Slater revealed that the 49ers periodically speak with potential suitors
as part of their structured recruitment process, even when they already have a manager in place. Paraphrasing "The average Premier League manager’s tenure is 18 months, and therefore contingencies are in place for periodic new hires”.

In truth, it’s a bit of corporate genius; the ability to speak with potential managerial candidates even when the job isn’t technically vacant gives them both flexibility and plausible reasoning if they get caught speaking to a would-be successor. Can Daniel Farke survive the week; the next 48 hours will be crucial!


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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Monday 24th November) 49ers actively interviewing managerial candidates

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No stick or twist now. It’s gotta be twist
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Does anyone see a realistic chance of us staying up? We will more than likely be on an 8 game losing streak by the time Christmas comes around and there’s no coming back from that. Just have to hope we can get straight back up the following season.

Id argue that we spent 100 million and there’s not one player who has made us any better than we were - should have signed 3 or 4 quality players and left it at that.
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With a clown show budget coming up this week, who will go first; Farke or Starmer.
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I've not been one to criticise DF up until now but I would very much like him to explain his reasoning for taking off Tanaka, who looked less than pleased with the decision so he obviously wasn't injured.
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Im interested if there is anyone who thinks we should keep Farke on as a manger?
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The Villa match hinged when Emery realised his side needed change and made two half-time substitutions which within 90 seconds of the start of the second half paid dividends. DF didn't realise that we needed freshening up and it must have been on about 70 minutes before he brought on James and Gnonto. We looked more menacing straight away and James should have equalised had DCL not managed to get his hand in the way of the shot. DCL is hopeless at scoring goals by by 'eck he is a "dab hand" at getting them disallowed. Villas second goal from the free kick was a goal keeping masterclass. Villa took about 60 seconds to line up the free kick during which time I said to may mate "all he has to do is chip it into the goal". What did he do - he chipped it into the goal with Perri rooted to the spot.
The other surprise was that DF didn't manage to bring Harrison on !!!
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Farke needs to go,while we still have a chance of getting out of trouble and the new manager can see what he needs for us to survive this season .
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WhiteRose wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 9:30 am Does anyone see a realistic chance of us staying up? We will more than likely be on an 8 game losing streak by the time Christmas comes around and there’s no coming back from that. Just have to hope we can get straight back up the following season.
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Clitheroe White wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 10:32 am Im interested if there is anyone who thinks we should keep Farke on as a manger?
Apologies CW but does the mean he would be 🎼away in a manger 🎼
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As it stands we haven't a hope in hell of getting out of the bottom 3,there's a gap appearing already at the bottom, come the new year it'll be even worse.
Our recruitment focused on defence but we can't keep a clean sheet,we have the 4th worst goals scored against and the 2nd worst GD it's a shambles.
We have a mid field full of Batty type players,we only need one,no one has an ounce of creativity in them add to that we can't score a goal ,if our opposition goes in front that's game over.
The new keeper is no better than Mes,another waste of money.
We don't even have the capability of drawing a game ,I can't believe we're in this position again.
No disrespect to Batty by the way he was class!
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Tyzy wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 12:19 pm As it stands we haven't a hope in hell of getting out of the bottom 3,there's a gap appearing already at the bottom, come the new year it'll be even worse.
Our recruitment focused on defence but we can't keep a clean sheet,we have the 4th worst goals scored against and the 2nd worst GD it's a shambles.
We have a mid field full of Batty type players,we only need one,no one has an ounce of creativity in them add to that we can't score a goal ,if our opposition goes in front that's game over.
The new keeper is no better than Mes,another waste of money.
We don't even have the capability of drawing a game ,I can't believe we're in this position again.
No disrespect to Batty by the way he was class!
Totally agree,I said from day 1 in prem farke shouldn't be there at best he is champ manager,but most people said on here I was wrong he has got to be given chance should never have happened and we would have got a better manager than what we will get now .The manager that comes in now will want guarantees 4 sure on monies to spend in Jan window.
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Chilli D wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 10:06 am I've not been one to criticise DF up until now but I would very much like him to explain his reasoning for taking off Tanaka, who looked less than pleased with the decision so he obviously wasn't injured.
He told us in his presser mate, it’s mentioned on several pages here.

He’d been told, by the fourth official, that Tanaka was on the verge of a red card with one more bad foul so he took him off.

Several of us don’t agree with it.
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Barlow Boy wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 1:25 pm He told us in his presser mate, it’s mentioned on several pages here.

He’d been told, by the fourth official, that Tanaka was on the verge of a red card with one more bad foul so he took him off.

Several of us don’t agree with it.
Thanks, didn't see that.
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Our next winnable game at home to Fulham on the 17th January 2026.
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1964white wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 3:12 pm Our next winnable game at home to Fulham on the 17th January 2026.
Point of order - every game is winnable! Just some more likely than others.

We have 3 free hits coming up so let's go and have a go and see what happens (oh, we won't as have a manager that likes to be solid).
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Clitheroe White wrote: Mon Nov 24, 2025 3:46 pm Point of order - every game is winnable! Just some more likely than others.

We have 3 free hits coming up so let's go and have a go and see what happens (oh, we won't as have a manager that likes to be solid).
Not with the current set-up, I'm afraid.

We may nick a point here & there, that is, if we can stay in a game without gifting soft goals to our opponents.
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