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Re: Next Season

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1964white wrote: We had 6 or 7 new faces last summer, they spent most of the season on the bench or out on loan :(
18 players were brought in this season 3 ended up on loan 2 of these I expect to see more of next season Clayton & Nunez, Bessone I hope I never see in a LUFC shirt again. Paynter was injured most of the 1st half of the season and I wish he'd been injured all season, McCormack has appeared 19 times and scored one goal of the bench warmers. It's obvious that Bessone, Paynter & McCormack were brought in to start but have failed to cut it, while I think McCormack is the best of the 3 I still don't think he's anywhere near as good as the player he was brought into replace (Beckford), Becchio is keeping Paynter out when fit and the less said about Bessone the better.

As for who is responsible for bringing these players in I'm keeping an open mind but I'd prefer to see Williams booted before Grayson as we have seen some good but mostly complete dross under his tenure across four managers now, he at this point is the common link.
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Right on, Chicago. After beefing up the squad with the numbers we needed to have enough cover, we now know who's cut and who's not. Time to clear out the extras and replace them with some proven talent that we'll now have access to. No excuse not to make some real progress here!
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Our relative success this season didn't surprise me, we'd watch.Grayson build a good unit over his tenure and saw real progress. I suppose there was less pressure and expectation on the players which led to our goal glut and defensive inadequacy.

This summer is a turning point. There will be more expectation on Grayson to make good decisions, he needs identify influential signings that can take us to the next level. He also needs to instil a ruthless streak in the squad.

Can he do this?
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MikeLUFC7 wrote:The three relegated teams. If the current bottom three come down (West Ham, Wolves, Wigan), they will all spend money to bounce straight back. They'll lose players, granted; however, they will most likely be amongst the biggest spenders next year.
Just to address this part of your post alone Mike, two questions:

1) Of the three teams relegated from the Premiership last season and receiving parachute payments this season how many of them won a match against newly promoted shoestring funded Leeds United this season?

2) Of the three teams relegated from the Premiership last season and receiving parachute payments this season how many of them finished higher in the league than newly promoted shoestring funded Leeds United this season?
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Dr.Leeds wrote: Just to address this part of your post alone Mike, two questions:

1) Of the three teams relegated from the Premiership last season and receiving parachute payments this season how many of them won a match against newly promoted shoestring funded Leeds United this season?

2) Of the three teams relegated from the Premiership last season and receiving parachute payments this season how many of them finished higher in the league than newly promoted shoestring funded Leeds United this season?
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Dr.Leeds wrote: Just to address this part of your post alone Mike, two questions:

1) Of the three teams relegated from the Premiership last season and receiving parachute payments this season how many of them won a match against newly promoted shoestring funded Leeds United this season?

2) Of the three teams relegated from the Premiership last season and receiving parachute payments this season how many of them finished higher in the league than newly promoted shoestring funded Leeds United this season?

Difficult to come down and bounce straight back especially if like Portsmouth you almost go bankrupt, Demoted teams always seem to do better a season removed from relegation, and promoted teams seem to do worse a season removed from promotion. I'd expect Millwall to be fighting a relegation battle next year, Hull, Portsmouth and Middlesborough top ten teams next year. I'd expect Leeds to make a playoff place but we HAVE to invest....
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Re: Next Season

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people seem to be identifying all the areas we need to strengthen for next season..but with anything near a reasonable defence this season we all know how achievable p/offs or even AP would have been, in fact if our defence had of been just sh*t instead of 'super sh*t' conceding say for instance as little as 5 goals less it would have made all the difference,so lets maybe buy a few new defenders and tweak what we already have and see how it goes before bringing in a boat load of mid and forward players? I know it depends on who we manage to keep but if we do keep our best players i.e Howson, Snods,Maxi,Bechio etc, lets just see how it pans out as i think weve almost been top heavy this season to the point where S.G hasnt really given some players enough time to shine, so i dont think we need to waste more wages on that area..plus weve got Nunez who is sharpening up nicely at Scunny,who i believe could be a really good player for us next season..Just my opinion :)
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Dr.Leeds wrote: Just to address this part of your post alone Mike, two questions:

1) Of the three teams relegated from the Premiership last season and receiving parachute payments this season how many of them won a match against newly promoted shoestring funded Leeds United this season?

2) Of the three teams relegated from the Premiership last season and receiving parachute payments this season how many of them finished higher in the league than newly promoted shoestring funded Leeds United this season?
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mchldavies7 wrote:people seem to be identifying all the areas we need to strengthen for next season..but with anything near a reasonable defence this season we all know how achievable p/offs or even AP would have been, in fact if our defence had of been just sh*t instead of 'super sh*t' conceding say for instance as little as 5 goals less it would have made all the difference,so lets maybe buy a few new defenders and tweak what we already have and see how it goes before bringing in a boat load of mid and forward players? I know it depends on who we manage to keep but if we do keep our best players i.e Howson, Snods,Maxi,Bechio etc, lets just see how it pans out as i think weve almost been top heavy this season to the point where S.G hasnt really given some players enough time to shine, so i dont think we need to waste more wages on that area..plus weve got Nunez who is sharpening up nicely at Scunny,who i believe could be a really good player for us next season..Just my opinion :)

Our defence was poor because our midfield was even worse. You try playing behind Killa.
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I really think that the close season is going to be the most interesting for some time. Bates has a good record of backing managers but he has had his fingers burnt with some poor signings from the likes of Blackwell & Wise. Perhaps Grayson was under 'probation' this year and now Bates feels that he can trust him with substantial transfer funds ( I'm hoping so anyway).

Having said all that it's almost impossible to sign quality Premiership players. Top quality players like Strachan, Bobby Collins,Giles, Sterland & Chapman would be on at least £2-5m per year these days and impossible to sign for a club outside the Premiership. Wilkinson & Revie would have had to restrict signings from outside the Premiership due to the salaries

Grayson needs to prove that he can identify and sign quality players rather than loan signings and I hope and believe that he will do so. It's not going to be easy for SG but he knows that a top six place at least is expected next season.

Lichaj has been the one quality loan signing this season and the wages we have paid for McCartney, Bannan, Livermore & Watt has not been money well spent.

I am sure that Grayson will learn from his mistakes and I really expect us to make some quality signings next season.

IMO we need a quality LB & CD and more quality in CM as well as a top class striker like Danny Graham.

Having said all that it's been the first time since the O'Leary era that I have so looked forward to match days.We did the double over QPR & would have beaten Norwich away but for a foul on our goalkeeper & battered them at ER but couldn't finish the game off.

Kilkenny & Johnson look to be on their way but they have displayed some quality in the latter part of the season & it would be nice if they could be retained. However, we don't know what their wage demands are.

Lichaj will no doubt return to AV and our other loan signings along with Bessone, Grella & Nunez will be released.

It's like wishing your life away but I can't wait for August and see us challenging as champions of the Championship
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Re: Next Season

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Dr.Leeds wrote: Just to address this part of your post alone Mike, two questions:

1) Of the three teams relegated from the Premiership last season and receiving parachute payments this season how many of them won a match against newly promoted shoestring funded Leeds United this season?

2) Of the three teams relegated from the Premiership last season and receiving parachute payments this season how many of them finished higher in the league than newly promoted shoestring funded Leeds United this season?
The three teams who came down - Portsmouth, Burnley and Hull - are, in two cases, very different from the three teams who are likely to come down next year. With the exception of Burnley, who are for the record a well run club, the other two have been through financial hardship. They had similar seasons to our own first season in the championship back in 2005-6. That being a season where they needed to cut costs dramatically, rebuild their team, and make sure they had a good solid season back in the championship. I'll give you that none of them beat us, and we beat Burnley home and away. It is a great record and achievement beating and drawing with the teams who came down, however, it didn't help us seal a play off place, did it?

No, it didn't. They were good results, but we ultimately dropped points against other teams and we failed in our bid to gain back to back promotions. Granted we never expected it, but we missed out nonetheless. That was one of my points in my post. That despite our aim of having a good solid season, we got ourselves in contention and failed to capitalise. Next year we won't have the element of surprise. Teams will know how we play, will know our weaknesses, and we will have to be even better next year. Think of it as second season syndrome: in your first year you surprise everyone and get results no one expected, but in your second year it isn't that easy. Now I believe that we should be right back up their next season if we invest in the right players in the summer, however, I will stand by my view point that it will be more difficult than this year due to not only the teams who are coming down, but the teams who will miss out this year. Next year will be about money, something we don't have. So we will have to do what Norwich have done this year, and what Blackpool did last year; achieve promotion based on team spirit, and having good players committed to the cause.

But not to dwell on this topic too much, since the only team that matters is Leeds. The three teams who are set right now to come down are very different from last years bottom three. West Ham, Wolves and Wigan all have owners who will back their managers with significant funds. They want a player for 2 or 3 million, they'll get them. Sure, they'll lose players when they come down, but they'll be able to replace them without any worries whatsoever. Now for Portsmouth they couldn't bring anyone in for absolutely ages; for Hull they had to replace half their squad, and granted underachieved; and Burnley had an inept manager in Brian Laws who wasted their transfer money, and if they had a good manager in charge, they'd have gone up or at least been challenging.

Anyway, hopefully we will finish above all three teams who come down, and achieve promotion next season. But, it is going to be very tough to do that with the amount of money that will be floating around in the summer.
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wiilko wrote:I really think that the close season is going to be the most interesting for some time. Bates has a good record of backing managers but he has had his fingers burnt with some poor signings from the likes of Blackwell & Wise. Perhaps Grayson was under 'probation' this year and now Bates feels that he can trust him with substantial transfer funds ( I'm hoping so anyway).

Having said all that it's almost impossible to sign quality Premiership players. Top quality players like Strachan, Bobby Collins,Giles, Sterland & Chapman would be on at least £2-5m per year these days and impossible to sign for a club outside the Premiership. Wilkinson & Revie would have had to restrict signings from outside the Premiership due to the salaries

Grayson needs to prove that he can identify and sign quality players rather than loan signings and I hope and believe that he will do so. It's not going to be easy for SG but he knows that a top six place at least is expected next season.

Lichaj has been the one quality loan signing this season and the wages we have paid for McCartney, Bannan, Livermore & Watt has not been money well spent.

I am sure that Grayson will learn from his mistakes and I really expect us to make some quality signings next season.

IMO we need a quality LB & CD and more quality in CM as well as a top class striker like Danny Graham.

Having said all that it's been the first time since the O'Leary era that I have so looked forward to match days.We did the double over QPR & would have beaten Norwich away but for a foul on our goalkeeper & battered them at ER but couldn't finish the game off.

Kilkenny & Johnson look to be on their way but they have displayed some quality in the latter part of the season & it would be nice if they could be retained. However, we don't know what their wage demands are.

Lichaj will no doubt return to AV and our other loan signings along with Bessone, Grella & Nunez will be released.

It's like wishing your life away but I can't wait for August and see us challenging as champions of the Championship
Would be suprised if Nunez was released we have not seen much of him.
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Mmm, next season, eh
Folk assume the top clubs in this division will "be stronger next time" - why is this?
If Cardiff miss out (again), I predict a new manager there, Jones has had ample chances to get them up and blown it every time. Davies is continually at loggerheads with the Forest board and if they miss out and he keeps spouting his mouth off, they may pull the plug on him. I could go on. Fans of other clubs will assume we'll be stronger but we all have our opinions on how things will pan out here.
Teams that get relegated will have their best players stripped away, are Wigan good/big enough to bounce straight back with a challenge, who will replace Grant at Hammers etc etc.
Lets see who's where come August before we can make a balanced view on next season.
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eastyorkshirewhite wrote:Would be suprised if Nunez was released we have not seen much of him.
Scored again for Scunny yesterday - 3 since being on loan. Seemed to be playing as a winger/behind striker for them. I reckon we'll see him in the squad next year. Grayson said he sent him out to get experience of the English game, as it was more physical than he's been used to, and he played every match on his loan spell! Albeit Scunny were going to try anything to escape relegation, but now he's had experience in a team who've been battling hard hopefully now he can come and work in rotation with the knackered Snoddy?
AHIFB will be playing League 1 again next season :(
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