Help UKIP waste lots of money

CSA · Post by **CSA** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:37 pm

Guildford White wrote:
Quite so. The man's hypocrisy is legendary

Still waiting

Armleywhite · Post by **Armleywhite** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:45 pm

Another UKIP claim challenged.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05 ... _hp_ref=uk

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:53 pm

Damn, more facts.

Haven't you got it yet? Forget facts, just claim that everything wrong in the universe is the fault of Romanians or Roma (it helps if you ignore the difference). Prejudice rules.

CSA · Post by **CSA** » Fri May 30, 2014 5:58 pm

Guildford White wrote:Damn, more facts.

Haven't you got it yet? Forget facts, just claim that everything wrong in the universe is the fault of Romanians or Roma (it helps if you ignore the difference). Prejudice rules.

Still waiting ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ !

CSA · Post by **CSA** » Fri May 30, 2014 9:57 pm

4,000,000 +++ people still waiting for the font of all knowledge and sole guardian of the truth to fill us with his wisdom, come on Guilford never put you down as a bottler, genuinely waiting for you to tell me the main reason why all 3 major parties (I include the Libs in this as well) are running scared and implying that there IS a fundamental flaw in the EU...and it's policies...
and why you advocate/agree with the policy of open borders within Europe, as a former socialist myself i want you to tell me why you think it is such a good thing for us all, when all i see is an overcrowded island that doesn't have the infastructure in place to absorb so many people without it impinging on the incumbent residents way of life....Don't accuse me of being pissed cos i aint (that is the old chesnut you and that dolt Armley wheel out when you don't have a valid reply)I Respect your views but argue them with passion rather than resort to insulting those who do not agree with your politics.

drsdadsotherson · Post by **drsdadsotherson** » Fri May 30, 2014 10:04 pm

I'm pretty sure a sarcastic manner of address won't help.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Fri May 30, 2014 10:47 pm

CSA wrote:4,000,000 +++ people still waiting for the font of all knowledge and sole guardian of the truth to fill us with his wisdom, come on Guilford never put you down as a bottler, genuinely waiting for you to tell me the main reason why all 3 major parties (I include the Libs in this as well) are running scared and implying that there IS a fundamental flaw in the EU...and it's policies...
and why you advocate/agree with the policy of open borders within Europe, as a former socialist myself i want you to tell me why you think it is such a good thing for us all, when all i see is an overcrowded island that doesn't have the infastructure in place to absorb so many people without it impinging on the incumbent residents way of life....Don't accuse me of being pissed cos i aint (that is the old chesnut you and that dolt Armley wheel out when you don't have a valid reply)I Respect your views but argue them with passion rather than resort to insulting those who do not agree with your politics.

Simply put, I never said that everything is wonderful about Europe, so I don't have to justify it to you.

Europe needs huge reform, but walking away from the biggest economic market in the world would be national suicide. That, apparently, is what UKIP supporters want - a future when to trade with Europe we would have to implement any regulations they decide but without having any say in those regulations, a world in which British industry would potentially face import tariffs to trade with Europe, the much - vaunted City of London would lose its position to Frankfurt, British citizens would no longer be able to work freely in European countries, companies such as Toyota, Nissan, Honda would withdraw their investment from Britain and move it to Spain, Ireland, or wherever.

I think that would be a nightmare. You clearly disagree.

Twiggster · Post by **Twiggster** » Fri May 30, 2014 11:48 pm

Here you go UKIP voters.... hope you are happy to have regressed your country?

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Sat May 31, 2014 7:04 am

Careful Twiggs, Ems will think you're being hateful

Crude · Post by **Crude** » Sat May 31, 2014 2:15 pm

What a fascinating thread. But remember, whatever political party you vote for, we are still all LUFC, the only party that matters.

CSA · Post by **CSA** » Sat May 31, 2014 5:57 pm

Guildford White wrote:
Simply put, I never said that everything is wonderful about Europe, so I don't have to justify it to you.

Europe needs huge reform, but walking away from the biggest economic market in the world would be national suicide. That, apparently, is what UKIP supporters want - a future when to trade with Europe we would have to implement any regulations they decide but without having any say in those regulations, a world in which British industry would potentially face import tariffs to trade with Europe, the much - vaunted City of London would lose its position to Frankfurt, British citizens would no longer be able to work freely in European countries, companies such as Toyota, Nissan, Honda would withdraw their investment from Britain and move it to Spain, Ireland, or wherever.

I think that would be a nightmare. You clearly disagree.

A lot of conjecture regarding the European situation, not a matter of removing ourselves from the union, it needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom (and less centralised and more decisions made at national level) one law one rule does not and never will appease all nations and cultures, have a common economic policy of sorts by all means but trying to merge the whole continent together as one nation will never work.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Sat May 31, 2014 8:31 pm

CSA wrote:
A lot of conjecture regarding the European situation, not a matter of removing ourselves from the union, it needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom (and less centralised and more decisions made at national level) one law one rule does not and never will appease all nations and cultures, have a common economic policy of sorts by all means but trying to merge the whole continent together as one nation will never work.

Couldn't agree more

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:02 am

Here we go again, UKIP's candidate for the Newark by-election is a homophobe

Armleywhite · Post by **Armleywhite** » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:25 am

With all due respect. Can we stop with the personal insults. Certain people have made some silly comments and they have to deal with that, or the mod / admin team do. However, to constantly make disparaging remarks about posters and their beliefs is getting a tad tiresome. This is a polite general request and not aimed at anyone particular. Politics and religion are always arsey subjects.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:47 am

Fair enough, post edited accordingly

drsdadsotherson · Post by **drsdadsotherson** » Sun Jun 01, 2014 12:48 pm

Guildford White wrote:Here we go again, UKIP's candidate for the Newark by-election is a homophobe

Not to defend UKIP or this particular guy in any way, but strictly speaking homosexuality and disability ARE abnormal. The difficulty arises when people equate abnormal with negativity.
Tesla's mind and Mandela's commitment to peace and forgiveness were abnormal. Abnormal genetics drives evolution. The abnormal collision with the Earth and Theia 4.5 billion years ago allowed life to develop.
Abnormality is the key to our species' development and curiosity. It's not to be feared or reviled simply because it is different, but only when it causes harm to others which homosexuality and disability do not.
So for me you can call homosexuality weird, different, abnormal and odd all you like. They are all accurate descriptions and none of them mean WRONG.

Armleywhite · Post by **Armleywhite** » Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:04 pm

Personally I wouldn't call it any of those things you mentioned. Just different.

CSA · Post by **CSA** » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:39 pm

Guildford White wrote:Here we go again, UKIP's candidate for the Newark by-election is a homophobe

Once again you fight an argument with smear tactics, maybe we should stick to known facts, if there are any....

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:52 pm

CSA wrote:
Once again you fight an argument with smear tactics, maybe we should stick to known facts, if there are any....

This good enough for you? Or maybe this where he compares gay marriage to incest?

These are his words, not a smear.

CSA · Post by **CSA** » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:01 pm

Guildford White wrote:
This good enough for you? Or maybe this where he compares gay marriage to incest?

These are his words, not a smear.

Oh well I suppose he will lose the bandit vote, don't you think it is a shame that budding MP's cant lay their cards on the table so to speak, and say what they think, then let the electorate decide, BTW i hear David Cameron has the same thoughts but dare not let it be common knowledge.