QSI In Talks With Radz (Phil Hay Update)

[SG90]

The we will continue to be s**t


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Where do you draw the line then? Also what happens if they take over and we still continue to be s**t?

[Cjay]

You're the same age as me then, so you'd have seen the O'Leary team and remember it well. So why would you want us to make the Champions League via the financial doping route when we've done it through our academy? To me that isn't success, it's tainted and goes against everything football should be.

I don't really care for clubs who've bought their way up, Brighton, Bournemouth etc. The footballing bubble is about to burst due to overspending and clubs like us will benefit as we've lived within our means rather than being bankrolled and reliant on TV money or sugar daddies.

I'd rather Radz sold a stake to Steve Parkin or Russell Crowe if he needs more money. They are Leeds and they get what the club is about. Or even the 49ers as they already own a stake and seem decent people.

How much boardroom unrest would there be with Radz, 49ers and PSG all wanting a say?

These people have nothing to do with us and are using us to sportswash all the corruption they are involved in. We should stay well clear.

Doubt Crowe has the money needed, he himself would probably need a backer. And Parkin was getting his backing from China wasnt he? A place with an appalling human rights record.

I dont trust the 49ers tbh, they like Radz want minimum investment and maximum return, i dont see them as any different from Qatar except the Qataris would probably invest a ton of cash.

If reports are to he believed Radz will stubbornly hang on anyway.

Id love to succeed like we did before but we spent tons of cash then to, and football has moved on, teams cant have long term success like that anymore, like Ajax are being, like Monaco were, they get pillaged.

[Cjay]

No disagreement with you there.

It seems that there are two issues which are being conflated: 1) the morality/ politics of being associated with a regime like Qatar, and 2) the satisfaction or otherwise of being a club that buys success.

With point 1, it's not enough to just say, it happens everywhere, turn a blind eye. You have to look at the specifics and decide where you draw the line. If that line is crossed, then point 2 becomes irrelevant.

You haven't responded to the point about suppression of fan criticism; would that not concern you?

Absolutely yes it would.

But until it happens or indeed if it happens i would be happy to give the Qataris or any new investor/ owner the benifit of the doubt at first same as i did Cellino and Radz.

[Cjay]

Even local business fan owners don't guarantee success, look at Stoke and Derby.

Done better then we have over the last 15 years.

Although i do agree they arent what i would say are successful but we areas far from a successful football club as every other EFL team.

[SG90]

Even local business fan owners* don't guarantee success, look at Stoke and Derby.

Derby are appallingly run and Stoke reached their shelf life really. Clubs like that don't have the support to move beyond mid table PL.

[SG90]

Some fans seem to think the answer to all our trouble is some magical billionaire throwing large sums around. This isn't Jack & the Beanstalk. Regardless of how wealthy the owner is, we still have to meet ffp restrictions.

[Cjay]

Imo the only reason this doesnt happen is arrogance on Radz's part.

Always hoped he would do what was best for LUFC, whatever you think of the Qataris our future would probably be much brighter with them then with Radz in terms of success as a football club.

So if Radz turns the Qataris down then he has to show he is serious about us getting promotion next season, he needs to invest.

[1964white]

Imo the only reason this doesnt happen is arrogance on Radz's part.

Always hoped he would do what was best for LUFC, whatever you think of the Qataris our future would probably be much brighter with them then with Radz in terms of success as a football club.

So if Radz turns the Qataris down then he has to show he is serious about us getting promotion next season, he needs to invest.

Exactly, no fannying about this time. Radz has probably one more season with Marcelo in charge.......make good use of this opportunity or leave it at your peril !

Farcical watching these so called affluent men walking around in their flash suits p*ssing about in the wind, just like our politicians I suppose!

[Irish Ian]

It would be a real pity imo if they turned their attention to one of our rivals next season... like the Owls, Brum, Sunderland or Stoke.

Or Blunts for that matter.

Radz needs to decide what he wants, to sell the club at a profit and move on.
Take a punt for next season and enjoy the reflected glory if we promote. Then hope for a seller.
In which case WE WILL STILL NEED MASSIVE INVESTMENT to survive in the prem.

I suppose he wants to have the best interests of the club but who knows what that really is?

[SG90]

I wonder what Marcelo would think about QSI investment or ownership. He's a principled guy, maybe he's hesitating because he doesn't want to be associated with it.

Yep both him and Lamrani are principled men who wouldn't want anything to do with them. I wonder how many fans begging for this takeover would be unhappy to lose Bielsa.

[The Subhuman]

Oh if QSI get control, Bielsa will be gone.

[Cjay]

Bielsa has worked with and spoken at Aspire Academy events, the same people who own PSG if you track it back.

Carlos Corberan was recommended to LUFC by someone who worked with him at Villarreal who had gone on to work at Aspire.

The head of the Aspire academy is on our board and was the first person Radz bought in.

Radz has a long standing business relationship with Qatar and the head of Bein Sports (the PSG President) going back years.

We have been in a close relationship with Qatar since day 1, how close, who knows.

[Cjay]

It would be a real pity imo if they turned their attention to one of our rivals next season... like the Owls, Brum, Sunderland or Stoke.

Or Blunts for that matter.

Radz needs to decide what he wants, to sell the club at a profit and move on.
Take a punt for next season and enjoy the reflected glory if we promote. Then hope for a seller.
In which case WE WILL STILL NEED MASSIVE INVESTMENT to survive in the prem.

I suppose he wants to have the best interests of the club but who knows what that really is?

He wants to make money, thats all he wants, like all business people.

Like them all he has a stubborn streak and will loathe to admit failure, if he sees getting more help in as "failure" then it wont happen.

Imo if the Qataris really want LUFC then they will get it eventually, Radz needs them, his media business relies on good relationships with people like the Qatar people for a start.

But will they wait around for Radz or just move on?

If they have their heart set on us then we will be owned by them, if we are just there preferred choice but they have backup options they will just move on.

Depends on how much they want LUFC, unfortunately i doubt that it is enough to play games with Radz.

[WhiteRose]

Would QSI even be able to do much if they bought us now? According to sky we are already in danger of breaking ffp rules. I didn't think this would be the case as we don't seem to spend anywhere near as much as some other teams.

Maybe they could loan us PSG players and we only pay a small percent of wages mbape and neymar could make all the difference next season

[SG90]

Would QSI even be able to do much if they bought us now? According to sky we are already in danger of breaking ffp rules. I didn't think this would be the case as we don't seem to spend anywhere near as much as some other teams.

Maybe they could loan us PSG players and we only pay a small percent of wages mbape and neymar could make all the difference next season

We're nowhere near ffp. I don't know where this myth has come from.

[SG90]

I see a shirt sponsorship agreement with Visit Qatar this season.

[Cjay]

What i cant work out, who leaked this?

Its definitely a thing, its not a made up rumour, it has legs in some way, that is certain.

But originally i thought maybe the Qatari money men, to see what sort of reaction they would get maybe?

But the journalist for the FT who broke the story is one of only a few hundred people Radz follows on twitter, Radz had been speaking at a FT event on Tuesday.

In fact 3 hours after tweeting the Qatari story the same journalist tweeted about what Radz had said at the FT event on Tuesday.

Is it possible Radz leaked the story to a journalist he clearly has a decent relationship with but then the Qatari people said "wait, no" so Radz then asked the journo and Phil hay to issue denials and counter articles?

[The Subhuman]

We happily as fans gave GFH the chance to f**k up LUFC now it appears we're doing the same with QSI

Ohh look a short cut to success through that minefield ..lets go that way we'll get there quicker if we don't step on a mine

[WhiteRose]

We happily as fans gave GFH the chance to f**k up LUFC now it appears we're doing the same with QSI

Ohh look a short cut to success through that minefield ..lets go that way we'll get there quicker if we don't step on a mine

Bit different though GFH never had a penny to spend once they took us over and had no experience owning and running a football club. You can say many things about QSI but they have a lot of money and some experience owning sports teams. I'd be excited if the talk came to anything but can completely appreciate others view to the contrary.

[BobHirst]

We happily as fans gave GFH the chance to f**k up LUFC now it appears we're doing the same with QSI

Ohh look a short cut to success through that minefield ..lets go that way we'll get there quicker if we don't step on a mine

If you're happy with being a perpetually lower level club then right now you have what you want.
In todays business of football, if you do not have the backing of mega money the club will remain there.
When people ask, I would like to be able to say, yes I support Leeds United. I supported them through all the crap times but now I'm very happy they are Premier League challengers and Champions League contenders.