Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread - Big Kev on the bench!

Archive for all MOT match day threads including match previews, in game chat, reports and ratings.
Post Reply
Nottingham Forest v Leeds United
Nottingham Forest
Nottingham Forest
2–0
Championship
08/02/2020
City Ground
Leeds United
Leeds United
All-time record vs Nottingham Forest
107
Played
35
Won
35
Drawn
37
Lost
+3
GD
33%
Win %
Away record
54
Played
11
Won
19
Drawn
24
Lost
-17
GD
20%
Win %
DateGroundScoreCompetition
10/08/2019 Elland Road 1–1 D Championship ↗
01/01/2019 City Ground 4–2 L Championship ↗
27/10/2018 Elland Road 1–1 D Championship ↗
01/01/2018 Elland Road 0–0 D Championship ↗
26/08/2017 City Ground 0–2 W Championship ↗
All-time top scorers vs Nottingham Forest
#PlayerGoals
1 Peter Lorimer 13
2 Eddie Gray 5
3 Rod Wallace 4
4 Allan Clarke 4
5 Luciano Becchio 4
Starting XI
Goa Casilla
Def Ayling
Def Cooper ©
Def White
Def Alioski
Def Dallas
Mid Hernandez
Mid Klich
Mid Costa
Mid Harrison
For Bamford
Substitutes
Unused Substitutes
-- Meslier
-- Berardi
-- Struijk
-- Stevens
User avatar
BGwhite
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 6571
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:02 am

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by BGwhite »

rrfierce wrote:why the hell did we get him? very frustrating that we needed a striker and got (what looks like) a decent one, but he's not going to be able to play until easter because he's not played regularly for 8 months.

That just doesn't make sense.
He basically said that to buy jk fully fit and playing regularly he would have cost 2-3 times more so they loaned him in at a fraction of the price knowing it would take a few weeks to get him up to speed in terms of fitness and understanding the style of play. As the old saying goes....you get what you pay for. I just hope that MB doesn't leave him out for too long as we are on a rapidly descending spiral downwards .

Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk

Nord VPN
Stream games in safety! Get NordVPN with up to 75% off + 3 months free
Get NordVPN →
User avatar
1964white
Lord Southwold
Lord Southwold
Posts: 155199
Joined: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:46 am
Twitter: @1964white

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by 1964white »

Apart from Phillips, it will be basically the same team that has failed in three of our last four games

I still fancy us to beat Forest
User avatar
1964white
Lord Southwold
Lord Southwold
Posts: 155199
Joined: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:46 am
Twitter: @1964white

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by 1964white »

rrfierce wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:59 pm why the hell did we get him? very frustrating that we needed a striker and got (what looks like) a decent one, but he's not going to be able to play until easter because he's not played regularly for 8 months.

That just doesn't make sense.
How times have we signed injured or unfit players over the last few years

CLASSIC LEEDS
User avatar
1964white
Lord Southwold
Lord Southwold
Posts: 155199
Joined: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:46 am
Twitter: @1964white

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by 1964white »

Irish Ian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:12 pm I haven’t had time but will check later.

Just wondering what actually produces most goals?

High possession?
Pressing and winning it back? I can think of one goal, the one v Brum in the home game.
Set pieces?
Break away?

Off the top of my head break away has yielded quite well but I’ll check later.

Just wondering if the high possession game is really our strength.
If we just kept our defensive shape and drew teams out of their shells a bit U wonder how we would fare?
We were scoring some brilliant goals on the break, dried up of late
User avatar
mothbanquet
Manager
Manager
Posts: 3239
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:11 pm

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by mothbanquet »

1964white wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:20 pm We were scoring some brilliant goals on the break, dried up of late
Again, a direct consequence of our poor defence post-Cardiff. Hull and Reading alone, off the top of my head, goalless till later on, opposition comes forward to try and bag one, we counter and score. We concede first and that's it, we might as well shoot against brick walls.
User avatar
1964white
Lord Southwold
Lord Southwold
Posts: 155199
Joined: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:46 am
Twitter: @1964white

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by 1964white »

rab_rant wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:21 pm Just watched a Leeds training video. There was big Kev on a training bike but when it came to training footage on the pitch he was no where to be seen.

Does this mean that he is still not considered up to speed for the first team? it would not surprise me if he is not on the bench once again.
Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
All that running around makes me dizzy :lol:

I wish they would spend more time practising on their shooting, under pressure of course not just pinging them past a keeper
User avatar
1964white
Lord Southwold
Lord Southwold
Posts: 155199
Joined: Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:46 am
Twitter: @1964white

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by 1964white »

rab_rant wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:57 pm CAPTION THIS!!!
Image

I BELIEVE I CAN FLY.

Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
l'll be flying back to Leipzig when I'm fit again :lol:
User avatar
mothbanquet
Manager
Manager
Posts: 3239
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:11 pm

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by mothbanquet »

rrfierce wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:59 pm why the hell did we get him? very frustrating that we needed a striker and got (what looks like) a decent one, but he's not going to be able to play until easter because he's not played regularly for 8 months.

That just doesn't make sense.
You're forgetting we were going all out for Che Adams to the point where Southampton were taking the mick with their price tag. I don't believe for one second Jarrod Bowen would have come here when clubs like Newcastle were offering again a massive overpayment for him.

Notwithstanding the fact that these kinds of deals are precisely the ones that actually get done in January. You know that when even the Prem, Ighalo to Manure is front page news.

JKA wasn't the first choice. It's not like Orta and co went out 1st Jan and said 'let's look for a decent-looking player, but first priority has to be that they've sat out most of a season'. It was a compromise but one they've made after going to frankly almost self-detrimental lengths to secure Adams.
User avatar
Irish Ian
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 17184
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:53 pm
Location: Directly above the centre of the Earth.

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by Irish Ian »

rab_rant wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:32 pm Possession is the name of the game. If you have 70% possession then the opposition have only 30% of the time to score. If you don't have the ball then you can't score... simples. You also have more than double the chances of scoring if you are able to take your chances.

There was a recent video of the five best goals Leeds scored against Notts and all of the goals came from outside the 18 yard box... sometimes I think we try to walk the ball into the net... more shots from distance might be the solution to our goal drought.

https://youtu.be/ClELlDGwEkU

Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
Shots from distance is a part of our game that seems to have dried up.

I was hoping that with Roberts back and with JKA in the squad it might be something we see more of.
Even Bamford hasnt been trying his luck from around the area this season.
'
"Football is about the people and the players,” he said. “Then there are those who will mingle in the middle: the coaches, executives and journalists. That last group represents the worst part about football" Marcelo Bielsa
User avatar
Irish Ian
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 17184
Joined: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:53 pm
Location: Directly above the centre of the Earth.

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by Irish Ian »

Cjay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:52 pm MB has just given a very long answer about when JKA will play.

Its on PH's twitter.

Long story short he isnt going to play vs Forest think thats obvious

Sometimes i despair :cry:
Should make the bench surely?

That was a Bielsa classic press conference I couldnt fathom a word :-D

I wish they would ask him simple questions:

" Dallas hasnt been as effective in CM as he has been playing wing back, now that we have two more midfielders available on saturday will you be making any changes"?

That type of thing
'
"Football is about the people and the players,” he said. “Then there are those who will mingle in the middle: the coaches, executives and journalists. That last group represents the worst part about football" Marcelo Bielsa
paddy parrott
Manager
Manager
Posts: 2669
Joined: Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:39 pm

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by paddy parrott »

You'd never be afraid of the Science , but do be mindful of the Scientism.
User avatar
Cjay
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 41703
Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:01 pm

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by Cjay »

Irish Ian wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:58 pm Should make the bench surely?

That was a Bielsa classic press conference I couldnt fathom a word :-D

I wish they would ask him simple questions:

" Dallas hasnt been as effective in CM as he has been playing wing back, now that we have two more midfielders available on saturday will you be making any changes"?

That type of thing
Would be nice if those sort of questions occurred :lol:
Signed

King Cjay

Fountain of all knowledge and wisdom
User avatar
rrfierce
Subs Bench
Subs Bench
Posts: 594
Joined: Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:38 pm

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by rrfierce »

I honestly think that forest will do a job on us. like 3-1 or something. Might start betting on teams to beat leeds then at least it will soften the blow if we lose.

Might lay a bet on us not going up too.

Pessimistic i know!
User avatar
Ellandback1
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 11896
Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:01 pm
Twitter: @EllandBack1
Location: The truth is out there

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by Ellandback1 »

rab_rant wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:57 pm CAPTION THIS!!!
Image

I BELIEVE I CAN FLY.

Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
User avatar
Ellandback1
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 11896
Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 3:01 pm
Twitter: @EllandBack1
Location: The truth is out there

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by Ellandback1 »

rab_rant wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:57 pm CAPTION THIS!!!
Image

I BELIEVE I CAN FLY.

Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
rab_rant

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by rab_rant »

Cjay wrote: Would be nice if those sort of questions occurred Image
I think most questions are aimed at making Bielsa feel awkward... or try to make him say something that will cast a bad light on the club, the supporters, the team, or a specific player. There appears to be a hidden agenda behind most questions.

In his latest press conference he actually made a plea for the journalists to be open and honest with him.

Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk

User avatar
mothbanquet
Manager
Manager
Posts: 3239
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:11 pm

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by mothbanquet »

Cjay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:35 pm Would be nice if those sort of questions occurred :lol:
Totally agree. It would be good to have evidence presented to counter some popular notions and gain an insight into Bielsa's reasoning. As Rab said, it seems the press are just looking at Twitter and going for cheap fan reactions.
User avatar
Cjay
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 41703
Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:01 pm

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by Cjay »

JKA has played more minutes then Tyler Roberts has in the last 8 months (MB mentioned JKS's lack of football earlier).

I dont think the JKA thing is a fitness issue at all, Roberts cant possibly be more match sharp.

Its tactical which given how MB is makes more sense.
Signed

King Cjay

Fountain of all knowledge and wisdom
User avatar
Cjay
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 41703
Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:01 pm

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by Cjay »

rab_rant wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:55 pm I think most questions are aimed at making Bielsa feel awkward... or try to make him say something that will cast a bad light on the club, the supporters, the team, or a specific player. There appears to be a hidden agenda behind most questions.

In his latest press conference he actually made a plea for the journalists to be open and honest with him.

Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
May be right.

Was definitely a horrible under tone with the spygate thing.

No way an English manager would have been treated like that.
Signed

King Cjay

Fountain of all knowledge and wisdom
User avatar
Cjay
Superstar
Superstar
Posts: 41703
Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:01 pm

Re: Nottingham Forest v Leeds Utd Match Thread

Post by Cjay »

mothbanquet wrote: ↑Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:35 pm Totally agree. It would be good to have evidence presented to counter some popular notions and gain an insight into Bielsa's reasoning. As Rab said, it seems the press are just looking at Twitter and going for cheap fan reactions.
Does seem the press avoid asking the obvious questions.

Id just like them to ask about rotation.

Something like "Marcelo, given the poor form of late do you think that possibly bringing in fresh faces like Poveda, Shacks, Roberts into the starting line up may help ?

Then he can say yes or no (its a no) and then why. Those are the questions he needs asking really

Simple to the point questions.
Signed

King Cjay

Fountain of all knowledge and wisdom
Nord VPN
Stream games in safety! Get NordVPN with up to 75% off + 3 months free
Get NordVPN →
Post Reply