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[onemoreslogan]

This is such a crock of sh*t.

Let's assume for a moment that the EFL is acting in good faith and Kiko is well and truly guilty (which... let's say, I have my doubts). The fact it took five months to drop the verdict on the season's home stretch just stinks to high hell.

I always poo-poo'd those who felt the EFL had it in for us, but this... It's hard not to see the timing chosen as the most disruptive possible. Even at 8 games, he's effectively been banned for the remainder of the campaign. Can't see him coming back and finding form with 3 to go.

Unbelievable. All of it.

[Oz Leeds]

Is there no appeal process?

Seems ridiculous that anyone anywhere could be punished when guilt is clearly not proven.

I doubt this outcome could or would happen in any other sporting league in the world.

Taking it to the courts seems a no brainer to me.

[herefordbornleedsboy]

Absolutely incredulous with this. Its taken 5 months to actually even get to the place where the hearing is done. Over a week since the hearing took place for them to come to their conclusion and are punishing him 'on the balance of probability'. And deciding to make the announcement on a Friday night before a midday kick off just stinks.
Regardless of the law of the land. One of your basic human rights is that you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Not innocent until a corrupt organisation takes the word of one man (whose parent club are one of our promotion rivals) and his mate.
Just forgetting the ban for a second, Kiko has to live with this for the rest of his career. I don't think the club would be as behind him as they are if they thought he'd done it either.
Finally, that Hull post, i hope their media man takes a good long look at himself and shakes his head. Such ill timing for something like that and actually for me completely negates the point he is making.

P.S. I don't condone racism in any form. It is wrong and needs addressing but punishing an innocent man on the balance of probability is ludicrous.

[rich_leeds64]

The Law:

Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

The FA:

Innocent until PROBABLY guilty

This case hasn’t done anything to eradicate racism in football other than cast doubt over the whole “kick it out”campaign. Pointing the finger at an innocent man who probably said the word Black but probably wasn’t aimed at Leko in a racist way

[leic white 63]

based on the statement surely the club and kiko will appeal the verdict .

it's frankly ridiculous even the FA should realise they are subject to english law and not some kangaroo style court.

ffs the FA will be accusing us next for being racists for playing in a all white kit !

[Overman]

based on the statements so far surely the club and kiko will appeal the verdict .

it's frankly ridiculous even the FA should realise they are subject to english law and not some kangaroo style court.

ffs the FA will be accusing us next for being racists for playing in a all white kit !

All in probability, it will be no big loss, life goes on and all the indignation won't impact anything.

[1964white]

This is a genuine question. I don't live in England anymore so would saying "mark that black man" in English be considered racist ?

Probably would be considered racist Bob

If someone called me a white man I wouldn't be offended as they are just colours in my mind.

[White Riot]

Here's my take on this.

The amount of time this has taken and the end result is unprofessional and unjust. Kiko has clearly been deeply affected by this and his press release was very heartfelt and I feel really sorry for him. Its clearly affected his life for many months and this could explain his errors and lack of confidence on the pitch.

I really feel the EFL/FA have just embarrassed themselves again. They've set a precedent that if two persons say you did something on a football pitch then you're guilty and to be hung drawn and quartered, doesn't matter if the charge is unsubstantiated

Why, when the clubs know what pathetic specimens work for the EFL and FA could they not have sorted this out between them? Maybe I'm naive, but I would've sat Kiko and Leko together and just had them talk the incident through together and clear it up immediately. If there was any misunderstanding/offence caused then why not sort it out as men?

I don't know what Kiko's said or what he's been accused of saying, but I'll stick by him as he's one of ours. He shoud fight this all the way and try to get his reputation cleared. What expertise do the FA/EFL have in matters of discrimination? I'll take a wild guess = none. Also, Leeds' statement on this indicates that although they supported Kiko during the process, they have now drawn a line under the matter and want it forgotten.

If Leko and his buddy are so sensitive to any perceived discrimination then what the heck are they doing playing for Lee Bowyer? I loved Bowyer as a player for us, but have a look back at his past, the Woodgate court case, the McDonald's case when he was at Charlton, and his bust up with Dyer at Newcastle on the pitch = a colourful past

That comment by Hull was absolutely pathetic, what a bunch of low-lifes. I really hope we use this to galvanise all of us and get out there and smash Hull today and get promoted early. I'd love us to smash Charlton in the last match and relegate them, and for Leko to get plenty of (non-raicst) abuse. Ideally Kiko will be back in the nets for that match and will keep a clean sheet for us.

The FA/EFL have not done us any favours here, as if Meslier gets injured then we're up the creek on the run in.

Lets be clear, I don't and never will tolerate discrimination in any form.

MOT, we're going up

[White Riot]

Probably would be considered racist Bob

If someone called me a white man I wouldn't be offended as they are just colours in my mind.

Would be ok, if the player had just come from a shift down't pit and hadn't had tiem to shower before playing

[Chilli D]

Only just seeing this news this morning and although I'm disgusted with the decision I'm not shocked.
The balance of probably my arse.
If my memory serves me correctly it's only a few years ago that John Terry was clearly seen on camera calling Anton Ferdinand a black c**t and he got away with it!
No mention of him a racist.
One rule for one.....

All we can do now is get promoted and have the last laugh on those who have sought to derail us.

[White Riot]

Absolutely incredulous with this. Its taken 5 months to actually even get to the place where the hearing is done. Over a week since the hearing took place for them to come to their conclusion and are punishing him 'on the balance of probability'. And deciding to make the announcement on a Friday night before a midday kick off just stinks.
Regardless of the law of the land. One of your basic human rights is that you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. Not innocent until a corrupt organisation takes the word of one man (whose parent club are one of our promotion rivals) and his mate.
Just forgetting the ban for a second, Kiko has to live with this for the rest of his career. I don't think the club would be as behind him as they are if they thought he'd done it either.
Finally, that Hull post, i hope their media man takes a good long look at himself and shakes his head. Such ill timing for something like that and actually for me completely negates the point he is making.

P.S. I don't condone racism in any form. It is wrong and needs addressing but punishing an innocent man on the balance of probability is ludicrous.

Absolutely well said mate, I've said the same in my post.

Kikos' has to live with this for the rest of his life. The one thing I also stated is that though LUFC supported Kiko during the process they are clearly distancing themselves now and wish to draw a line under the issue, at least that's my interpretation of their statement.

MOT, lets all get behind Kiko and the lads and get promoted = two gingers to Leko, his mate, Charlton, the EFl and FA. I was also very disappointed with Paul Robinson's comments, better keeping his gob shut, he was shite for England.

[BGwhite]

This will only spur us on to greater things imo. The lads will give even more now for their mate Kiko . The FL can go f**k themselves when we are promoted and just to rub it in a bit we'll hammer those c**ts from London in the last match. Football is corrupt from top to bottom !!

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[Maltawhite]

Trying to put some unbiased shoes on my only explanation is that in today's #metoo culture they would probably rather look to get a decision wrong and make someone guilty than look racist themselves. It's sadly the only reason I can think of. Of course I don't have unbiased shoes and they can f off.

[BGwhite]

It isn't a level playing field - so therefore corrupt authorities everywhere punish someone just to make it look like it is and makes themselves look like decent people while they're at it. If that pleases their simple little minds then so be it but I wonder if they can actually make themselves look any smaller than they are right now.

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[rab_rant]

Racist abuse is a criminal offence is it not?
Beyond a reasonable doubt is not the same as on the balance of probability

When it comes to referring to the ethnicity of another person we seem to be standing on shifting sands since what is acceptable seems to change with the decades.

To be politically correct you have to be on your toes so as not to put a foot wrong. In my lifetime when referring to the ethnicity of someone with a different skin colour from myself it could have been black, or coloured, or Afro American or depending on the country or continent they came from Jamaican, Somali, African.

In the comedy shows of the 70's like Alf Garnet or corporal Jones from Dad's Army the names used to refer to people who were not white skinned would not be acceptable today... but oh how we laughed back then.

When you look at the scientific literature which deals with the classification and taxonomy of the different races it has also evolved and changed over the years.

Carleton S. Coon the anthropologist with his book "The origin of the races" published in 1962 has a lot to answer for. He proposed the world population can be divided into 4 major races, namely white/Caucasian, Mongoloid/Asian, Negroid/Black, and Australoid.

The Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s and changing social attitudes challenged racial theories like Coon's that had been used by segregationists to justify discrimination and depriving people of civil rights.

The list of ethnic slurs is a veritable minefield and the length and scope of the list is so formidable that it would be better to keep our mouths shut and never talk at all.

The tongue is a small thing, but what enormous damage it can do James 3:5

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

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[Irish Ian]

Justice is a blunt instrument sadly.

Im waiting for the FA to publish before weighing in here, apart from to say a few things about the timeline.

1 September. Allegation is made and referred to FA.
2. November. After investigation charges are made. Leeds acknowledge this.
3. November. Kiko / Leeds ask for time to respond. At this point a hearing could have been held but more time was granted.
4. Hearing is held and after deliberation the ban is issued.

No matter when the ban would have been issued would it NOT have fed into an anti Leeds dialogue.

Also Johnathan Leko has suffered a season ending injury so for all those wanting to put him in stocks in front sfront of the Geldard will have to go dissappointed.

[Norm]

Anyone mention kangaroos?

Disgraceful and in itself racist - probably convicted because he IS white and the guy making the accusation is black.

[Irish Ian]

This sounds good in principle, but ignores the disempowerment experienced when you have been abused.

I'm going through a case of harassment and abuse at the moment. The last thing I want to do is to sit down and talk it through with my abuser, I want it dealt with by the police, and I don't want them near me again. I am grateful that that is what is happening.

Part of the social contract of living in a civilised society is that we endeavour to protect people from being mistreated, especially on the basis of simply being who they are.

The mechanisms for doing so in incidents like this appear deeply flawed, but that shouldn't take away from what the Charlton players will have experienced if they think they were being racially abused simply for being black and playing football. It is right that that should be taken seriously, and should be addressed in a way that gives them confidence that the system will protect them.

Our instinct is to protect Kiko, to want to see him as innocent, and to be outraged at the timescale and the manner of the investigation. Whilst understandable, I think this reaction might be mitigated if we were also thinking it through from the viewpoint of the Charlton players. Maybe this is easier to do if you have been on the receiving end of abuse yourself.

Sorry to hear of your troubles Sara but they are hardly comparable?

[1964white]

You can only say that though, because, as a white person in this country, the colour of your skin hasn't adversely affected the way people see you and treat you.

It isn't a level playing field.

Believe me I'm not racist, I treat everybody as I find them whatever creed or colour people are!

I was chatting with mates when we signed Augustin & I commented "I love black players as they seem to have an acceleration of pace such as Yeboah, Beckford, Gradel & dear Albert from the 60's" one of my friends said to me "you can't say that" even though I was discussing players that I admire & have plenty of affection for with lots of great memories of course!

Slip of the tongue I suppose

I had Asian friends when being brought up in the back streets of Leeds. I have one now in Gurj you all know, I give him a big hug when I see him at games, lovely fella

[rab_rant]

Anyone mention kangaroos?

Disgraceful and in itself racist - probably convicted because he IS white and the guy making the accusation is black.

kangaroo court

noun

an unofficial court held by a group of people in order to try someone regarded, especially without good evidence, as guilty of a crime or misdemeanour.



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