Leeds United v Hull City - MATCH THREAD - Bielsa makes eleven changes

[1964white]

Douglas gets easily turned, what a shock, to think some people think he ca play in the prem

My god Wolves really stitched us up, that hoof clearance near the end of the game finished me off.

FFS Leeds get rid of him

[1964white]

Missed the goal as I was moaning on here

[mothbanquet]

I blame Bielsa, because there was no need to make 11 changes. 2/3 max, yeah. Now we're undercooked for Saturday, Struijk and Koch need more games together. Rodrigo needs to link up with the team. What are we saving players for?

Fair questions, and maybe we'll get answers. Maybe not.

But my point still stands independently of these issues. If those players, that whole starting 11 (bar a couple), had shown more desire in defence and attack they wouldn't have conceded and would've scored. Team selection wouldn't have been an issue, subs wouldn't have been an issue. If we'd have seen 100% from them, then it would've all been tactical judgement, but it felt like 50% at most.

[Carrick Dave]

Roberts was showboating in the first half when we’re we’re a goal down, trying flicks and back-heels and losing possession. His body language suggested he felt Leeds were playing against inferiors which tonight Hull were not. He looked like he didn’t feel to need to fully compete, and I’ve no doubt Bielsa will see that too.

I thought Bogusz got stuck in, but all the midfield 50/50s were falling to Hull.

Rodrigo chased hard a la Bamford up front, but had little influence overall.

Poveda was our most dangerous outlet but he’s too small yet and gets pushed off the ball too easily by bigger defenders - I think some porridge and weights are required.

All told, disappointing and confusing as to what was intended in equal measure.

We move on.

[1964white]

I think we can dispense with the MOTM, ratings and positive negative threads. I think they'll be divisive..

I think they'll be fun

[Bally]

It just went to show how lightweight the Leeds squad is

[mothbanquet]

Honestly, whenever we lose it's usually a forum break for a couple of days to let the emotion simmer down. I rarely get angry but I'm utterly livid about the performance, not necessarily the result.

Should probably go get some sleep.

[1964white]

Honestly, whenever we lose it's usually a forum break for a couple of days to let the emotion simmer down. I rarely get angry but I'm utterly livid about the performance, not necessarily the result.

Should probably go get some sleep.

Good idea, that's me done it's been a long day

[mothbanquet]

Good idea, that's me done it's been a long day

Aye same. SG, you know I love you.

Any Hull fans out there watching me meltdown, enjoy it while you can.

[Boo Radley]

Leeds manager Marcelo Bielsa: "It wasn't a very good game from our team, we didn't defend well or attack well. We would have liked to have continued in the competition, I am sad we were eliminated, I feel responsible for the defeat.

"With our preparation for this game we thought that we were going to do more than we did. When a coach picks a team… I picked the team thinking they would have enough to beat Hull but when the team didn't have enough to beat Hull, I feel like I am responsible for the defeat.

"The team was built with players that should have shown a better performance. The deficiencies in the team were because they couldn't gel together."

It’s obvious that he did think that the team selected was good enough to win. His summary is fairly damning - didn’t defend or attack well, before easing off with a “couldn’t gel together”.

This game may be a turning point for some players and possibly an accelerant for our transfer policy. Bielsa seems hurt by this and we could see players moving on, out on loans or sold. It’s clear that our dependable strength in the first team squad now is based on probably 17 players in total (holding faith with Alioski, Shackleton, Casilla and Poveda). That’s very thin. Quite simply we need quality additions. Most of those that played tonight are not good enough yet, or may never be.

[andrewjohnsmith]

"The team was built with players that should have shown a better performance. The deficiencies in the team were because they couldn't gel together."

That's definitely a big part. Worth reiterating that most players didn't get a preseason and our U-23's have had one game - which none of these players played in.

"The team was built with players that should have shown a better performance. The deficiencies in the team were because they couldn't gel together."

This game may be a turning point for some players and possibly an accelerant for our transfer policy. Bielsa seems hurt by this and we could see players moving on, out on loans or sold.

It will be interesting. Not having a cup competition might result in a few more players going out on loan. What to do with the likes of Gotts and Bogusz now

[Richard]

As faaip alluded, the youngsters will hardly have played since March and as such it was a big mistake to throw so many in, even if it is only Hull.
With 8 league less to play this season we should be looking for a cup run.
Still time to turn it around but a defeat will be embarrassing.

Alioski, Roberts, Rodrigo, Shackleton, Poveda, Douglas if any of those had been picked to play against Liverpool nothing would have been said. The youngsters in defence, okay you can expect a mistake or two but NO shots in the first half, second half 2 shots on target.

Wilks made Rodrigo look like a non league player, Coyle was many Hull fans mom both looked streets ahead of 10 of our players, Poveda stood out as at least trying. It wasn’t acceptable and I fear for Rodrigo if he can’t look better than that against a newly put together Hull team

[60sUnited]

Agree with that Richard especially on Rodrigo, I just have a nagging feeling that he will be a flop

[Boo Radley]

Agree with that Richard especially on Rodrigo, I just have a nagging feeling that he will be a flop

I really don’t think that will be the case, and it would be very harsh to come to that conclusion because of last nights game. When a team is weak and failing all over, there is nowhere worse to be playing if you want to influence a game that at 9. Messi would have struggled there last night.

[Byebyegeegee]

As I said when I saw the team sheet we weren’t taking this game seriously and as such we got the result we deserved. It’s not the defeat that is the problem it is the manner of the defeat.

Unfortunately, I was unable to watch the game but I did listen to the commentary and have read the comments on here. From what I heard and what has been said it is obvious that, even if our young fringe players have the talent (not so sure now) they may not have the right mentality or attitude to play at the top level. There is no excuse for not trying your very best and giving your all in every game and by the sounds of it, a lot of our players were guilty of doing just that.

[lufc1304]

Has anyone else on here actually followed the Haribo cup over the last few seasons? The big boys, with massive squads and the funds to keep massive squads and compete on several fronts, play their fringe players until it gets to the sharp and then, more times than not, throw the big hitters in for the semi/final. The idea that we've thrown away the chance of silverware is laughable, imo. Yes, the performance was poor and some 1st team squad players disappointing, but with 11 changes to the team that started on Saturday, I thought it was always likely to be a struggle. Last season, our focus was on getting to the Prem. This season has to be about staying there. With a small squad, something Bielsa likes and wants, then cups invariably have to be sacrificed. That's just the way it is. I'm always disappointed when we lose, and it seems we were particularly poor last night, but cups are not a priority. If we can become an established Prem side again with a squad that reflects that, then yes, let's have a tilt at the cups but until then, we have to pick our battles.

I do agree with the majority that this has highlighted the need for a little more quality in certain positions in the 1st team squad, but as some pointed out, we might be forced to play one or two of last night's team due to injury, suspension or loss of form, but it would take something catastrophic to have to include five or six of them. As such, we shouldn't be too concerned. A bad night for our second string, but no need to reach for the blue rope just yet.

[rab_rant]

living in a fishbowl

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[1964white]

This game may be a turning point for some players and possibly an accelerant for our transfer policy. Bielsa seems hurt by this and we could see players moving on, out on loans or sold. It’s clear that our dependable strength in the first team squad now is based on probably 17 players in total (holding faith with Alioski, Shackleton, Casilla and Poveda). That’s very thin. Quite simply we need quality additions. Most of those that played tonight are not good enough yet, or may never be.

I hope so Boo, if some of those players struggled to make a position their own in the championship, why would they be good enough to play in the premier league? it makes no sense whatsoever!

Typical of Marcelo to accept the blame & responsibility for that defeat, that's the man he is

[mothbanquet]

I hope so Boo, if some of those players struggled to make a position their own in the championship, why would they be good enough to play in the premier league? it makes no sense whatsoever!

Typical of Marcelo to accept the blame & responsibility for that defeat, that's the man he is

Very true Leon, it's just a sad fact that we're not rich enough to completely overhaul the squad to the quality we need, it's going to be a long continuous process over several windows - and we need quality in the first team as the highest priority. Only then will the underperformers be moved on, until then we need the cover.

[1964white]

Has anyone else on here actually followed the Haribo cup over the last few seasons? The big boys, with massive squads and the funds to keep massive squads and compete on several fronts, play their fringe players until it gets to the sharp and then, more times than not, throw the big hitters in for the semi/final. The idea that we've thrown away the chance of silverware is laughable, imo. Yes, the performance was poor and some 1st team squad players disappointing, but with 11 changes to the team that started on Saturday, I thought it was always likely to be a struggle. Last season, our focus was on getting to the Prem. This season has to be about staying there. With a small squad, something Bielsa likes and wants, then cups invariably have to be sacrificed. That's just the way it is. I'm always disappointed when we lose, and it seems we were particularly poor last night, but cups are not a priority. If we can become an established Prem side again with a squad that reflects that, then yes, let's have a tilt at the cups but until then, we have to pick our battles.

I do agree with the majority that this has highlighted the need for a little more quality in certain positions in the 1st team squad, but as some pointed out, we might be forced to play one or two of last night's team due to injury, suspension or loss of form, but it would take something catastrophic to have to include five or six of them. As such, we shouldn't be too concerned. A bad night for our second string, but no need to reach for the blue rope just yet.

Nick, so you are saying we are incapable of consolidating a place in the PL & going on a cup run in the same season

The big boys have stronger 2nd teams than ourselves

Not only the top six teams goal is to win the PL they also have matches to play in the European competitions plus finishing in the top four for Champions League place to think about.

We'll have 40 games to play this season compared to 49 games last season, the top six may play upto 60 games pending how far they go in the cup rounds. One match a week & we are resting players after our first PL game in sixteen years, bearing in mind our first team players are not match-fit yet due to the current circumstances !

If you watched that game last night you'd be thoroughly disappointed