Manchester Utd v Leeds Utd Match Thread

[Smudge3920]

As you say, fans will always ride the roller coaster from ecstasy to devastation and back. This is expected.
But the attacks on our own players after every loss kinda gets me down.

I agree mate, some do not appreciate the difference between constructive critisism and just blatant all out attack on a player.

[hector]

I agree mate, some do not appreciate the difference between constructive critisism and just blatant all out attack on a player.

Ahhhh yes but......

Not everyone has had both done to them by experts from a young age, as Forces recruits get....
So cannot distinguish between the 2.

[Smudge3920]

Ahhhh yes but......

Not everyone has had both done to them by experts from a young age, as Forces recruits get....
So cannot distinguish between the 2.

So true Obi wan...

[1964white]

This game is bonus country. We need the points off West Brom and Burnley. Anything we get on Sunday will be great. But if we get nine points from four games by losing here and winning the next two, I’m sure no one here would mind.

The real worry for this game is that we could be badly punished from set pieces. But we are capable of hurting them. Right now I’d take a point, and the hand that offered it.

Yellow cards for Klich & Phillips is my concern!

The thought of going into two games Burnley or West Brom game with a weakened defence & midfield would be a major worry

[paddy parrott]

No mate .
We are Leeds United and The next game is a really, really important one.
We all have to..& want to win this one.
Leeds United are back.

[White Riot]

Yellow cards for Klich & Phillips is my concern!

The thought of going into two games Burnley or West Brom game with a weakened defence & midfield would be a major worry

It's unlikely either of those two will last until the cut-off point without getting another yellow card.

We could do without picking up any more injuries. Hopefully, Llorente will be back soon.

[gessa]

It's unlikely either of those two will last until the cut-off point without getting another yellow card.

We could do without picking up any more injuries. Hopefully, Llorente will be back soon.

Think I read somewhere, that he's about 2 weeks away. But will play in the U23's before he's risked again.

[White Riot]

Think I read somewhere, that he's about 2 weeks away. But will play in the U23's before he's risked again.

At the time he got injured MB said 2/3 weeks, so that's not turned into 4 weeks and counting

[gessa]

At the time he got injured MB said 2/3 weeks, so that's not turned into 4 weeks and counting

Unless the 2 weeks, meant from being ready for first team action.
U23's game on Monday, could feature in that?

[White Riot]

Unless the 2 weeks, meant from being ready for first team action.
U23's game on Monday, could feature in that?

Well if we could have him back for Burnley that would be great.

But he definitely should not be risked if he's not fit, as he and Koch were against Chelsea

[CHAPELALLMAN]

Ahhhh yes but......

Not everyone has had both done to them by experts from a young age, as Forces recruits get....
So cannot distinguish between the 2.

All entirely subjective. Someone likes a player, and is then outraged by criticism which is deemed to be ' non-constructive. ' Defining ' positive ' and ' negative ' is always subjective, as the person who doesn't agree with the other person's opinion is liable to label his or her views as ' negative' or ' an all out attack. ' What they really mean is that their ego is offended by the notion that someone thinks differently to themselves, and the easiest way for the ego to assert itself is to subjectively label the other person's point of view as ' negative ' or ' non-constructive ' or one person's opinion of a player's ability as ' an all out attack ' if it doesn't happen to coincide with their subjective view of a player.Some posters on here are masters of this, but no names mentioned...

Anyway, Bielsa has pretty strong opinions about players. Was he being ' negative ' and ' non-constructive ' when he decided that he didn't like JKA's attitude in training and promptly got rid of him from the club ? Or is that just ok because it's Bielsa ? Double standards from some....

[Smudge3920]

All entirely subjective. Someone likes a player, and is then outraged by criticism which is deemed to be ' non-constructive. ' Defining ' positive ' and ' negative ' is always subjective, as the person who doesn't agree with the other person's opinion is liable to label his or her views as ' negative' or ' an all out attack. ' What they really mean is that their ego is offended by the notion that someone thinks differently to themselves, and the easiest way for the ego to assert itself is to subjectively label the other person's point of view as ' negative ' or ' non-constructive ' or one person's opinion of a player's ability as ' an all out attack ' if it doesn't coincide with their view on a player.Some posters on here are masters of this, but no names mentioned...

Anyway, Bielsa has pretty strong opinions about players. Was he being ' negative ' and ' non-constructive ' when he decided that he didn't like JKA's attitude in training and promptly got rid of him from the club ? Or is that just ok because it's Bielsa ? Double standards from some....

Oh dear ...

[CHAPELALLMAN]

Oh dear ...

Like I said - the ego is a powerful thing with some people....

[Smudge3920]

Like I said - the ego is a powerful thing with some people....

Yes ...isn't it dear boy

[Smudge3920]

Chapelallman wrote...
Anyway, Bielsa has pretty strong opinions about players. Was he being ' negative ' and ' non-constructive ' when he decided that he didn't like JKA's attitude in training and promptly got rid of him from the club ? Or is that just ok because it's Bielsa ? Double standards from some....

I am sure Bielsa does have very strong opinions about player's, after all it is his job to do so... could you post the link(s) where Bielsa has stated he did not like JKA's attitude,or indeed any player? as I missed that and cannot find it.
I have never heard or seen Bielsa speak negativley to the media or post on social media anything negative towards a player so I would be greatly interested in knowing how you know exactly what goes on behind the scenes at the club, if you are just relying on pundits opinions from the media , thats fine. But that is a very weak defence...

[Fridge]

Seen far too many scum fans on Twitter making jabs about that night in Istanbul.

Shouldn’t be too surprised as I’ve always hated them the most but that is unacceptable even from the worst of them

[rab_rant]

All entirely subjective. Someone likes a player, and is then outraged by criticism which is deemed to be ' non-constructive. ' Defining ' positive ' and ' negative ' is always subjective, as the person who doesn't agree with the other person's opinion is liable to label his or her views as ' negative' or ' an all out attack. ' What they really mean is that their ego is offended by the notion that someone thinks differently to themselves, and the easiest way for the ego to assert itself is to subjectively label the other person's point of view as ' negative ' or ' non-constructive ' or one person's opinion of a player's ability as ' an all out attack ' if it doesn't happen to coincide with their subjective view of a player.Some posters on here are masters of this, but no names mentioned...

Anyway, Bielsa has pretty strong opinions about players. Was he being ' negative ' and ' non-constructive ' when he decided that he didn't like JKA's attitude in training and promptly got rid of him from the club ? Or is that just ok because it's Bielsa ? Double standards from some....

During a single game fans opinions can turn on a sixpence. They can go from being a monsterous Mr Hyde who is in a fermenting rage spewing out the most foul mouthed garbage when the team are underperforming, and then in an instant morph into a refined Dr Jekyll who is lucid and calm once the fortunes of the team changes.

After the Toon game i watched many videos from Newcastle fans and to a man their content was all sackcloth and ashes spiced with the most imaginative cursing.

It would be fair to say that i found their performances rather comical and I took a bitter pleasure in how they were reacting to defeat.

It is however unfortunate that if Leeds fans have a moronic meltdown then all i can feel is anguish and remorse.



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[CHAPELALLMAN]

I am sure Bielsa does have very strong opinions about player's, after all it is his job to do so... could you post the link(s) where Bielsa has stated he did not like JKA's attitude,or indeed any player? as I missed that and cannot find it.
I have never heard or seen Bielsa speak negativley to the media or post on social media anything negative towards a player so I would be greatly interested in knowing how you know exactly what goes on behind the scenes at the club, if you are just relying on pundits opinions from the media , thats fine. But that is a very weak defence...

So to get this clear, you made reference to some posters 'making blatant all out attacks on players ' but you recently started a thread entitled ' seems we have a petulant child on our hands. which is a reference to Costa. You then went on to say ; Not good ignoring your team when you are in a slump...Seems he needs to grow up and take some reponsibilty And this based on some possibly unfounded rumours doing the rounds at the time.

Those kind of comments remind me of when you recently accused 64 of ' bitching ' about something, when in fact he was just offering an opinion. It's called discussion and debate.

I might have opinions about whether a player is consistent in terms of performance ( Costa and Harrison ) but I have never used personal insults like that. And that's my issue with you, you can't distinguish between a fan's valid opinion ( which is subjective and open to debate ) about the value of players from a professional footballer perspective versus personal attacks. I know nothing about Jack Harrison or Helda Costa in terms of their life outside football - and frankly I don't care - but I am interested in their value as professional footballers each being paid £40,000 to £50,000 a week by the club in order to perform at a high level on the pitch so that we can win matches.

Anyway, Given that you have just said that Bielsa does not comment negatively about players to the media, where exactly did you get information about a falling out behind the scenes between Costa and Bielsa ? I think you are hoist by your own petard there....

[Smudge3920]

...Change the narrative to suit yourself... you do make me larf chapel allman...Actually I look forward to your weakly comments...oops I meant weekly...or did I ...I have not attacked you at all , yet you you act like a victim...great debate technigue....tag your it!

[John in Louisiana]

ALAW?

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Scum are the enemy, not each other. We can disagree without rancor.