Cjay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:47 pm
The rumours are that KP was a few kg over the weight MB wants.
Sounds ludicrous but entirely believable that Bielsa would drop a player for that.
Far more likely than him not being fit imo, Richarlison played an Olympic final 1 week ago, he started for Everton.
Think quite simply MB's stubbornness regarding his fitness and weight requirements caught KP out and MB wont change his mind even if it costs the team?
Just a rumour, Bielsa said he wasn't ready and that is the end of it.
We all complained about Bielsa's stubbornness after he fielded the same side against Spurs that flopped at Brighton and we know how that went.
' "Football is about the people and the players,” he said. “Then there are those who will mingle in the middle: the coaches, executives and journalists. That last group represents the worst part about football" Marcelo Bielsa
Irish Ian wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:34 pm
I dont think KP was match fit. I cant see Bielsa leaving him out if he was ready to play.
We are allowed to name a 9 man bench, looking at the size of our squad who else could we name?
How would Kalvin not be match-fit Ian? he only had three weeks off after playing for England, much more competitive than our friendly matches. KP came on in one of the friendlies & he looked in total control imo!
If he isn't match-fit he won't be selected for the Everton game as we have no games to play before Saturday, also why didn't he give Phillips a run out for the last 30 minutes yesterday when the game was gone?
Cjay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:47 pm
The rumours are that KP was a few kg over the weight MB wants.
Sounds ludicrous but entirely believable that Bielsa would drop a player for that.
Far more likely than him not being fit imo, Richarlison played an Olympic final 1 week ago, he started for Everton.
Think quite simply MB's stubbornness regarding his fitness and weight requirements caught KP out and MB wont change his mind even if it costs the team?
So weight is more important than the quality of player?
Revie's boys would never got a game
Marcelo is obsessed with playing Koch as a DM, his captain Cooper as one of his main CB's & using Roberts & Costa from the bench rather than giving others a chance.
1964white wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 4:11 pm
How would Kalvin not be match-fit Ian? he only had three weeks off after playing for England, much more competitive than our friendly matches. KP came on in one of the friendlies & he looked in total control imo!
If he isn't match-fit he won't be selected for the Everton game as we have no games to play before Saturday, also why didn't he give Phillips a run out for the last 30 minutes yesterday when the game was gone?
Sorry I don't get it
U23s Away to Palace tomorrow Leon, I suppose that will be telling.
If he needs minutes he will get them then.
As to why he didn't come on. I have no clue.
Bielsa just said he wasnt ready
' "Football is about the people and the players,” he said. “Then there are those who will mingle in the middle: the coaches, executives and journalists. That last group represents the worst part about football" Marcelo Bielsa
Cjay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:47 pm
The rumours are that KP was a few kg over the weight MB wants.
Sounds ludicrous but entirely believable that Bielsa would drop a player for that.
Far more likely than him not being fit imo, Richarlison played an Olympic final 1 week ago, he started for Everton.
Think quite simply MB's stubbornness regarding his fitness and weight requirements caught KP out and MB wont change his mind even if it costs the team?
Regarding Kalvin, Bielsa said:
"There's no new injuries that I'm aware of at the moment and of course Kalvin is always in consideration to be a starter but his lack of preparation hindered him"
It certainly sounds like him not starting was related to discipline of some sort. Tough spot for Bielsa, having to leave off your most important player and shame on KP if he hurt his teammates by not towing the line the way he should. Hopefully whatever it is won't last more than a week.
"There's no new injuries that I'm aware of at the moment and of course Kalvin is always in consideration to be a starter but his lack of preparation hindered him"
It certainly sounds like him not starting was related to discipline of some sort. Tough spot for Bielsa, having to leave off your most important player and shame on KP if he hurt his teammates by not towing the line the way he should. Hopefully whatever it is won't last more than a week.
I sincerely hope we haven't got another Pablo scenario here!
Mick Jones shoulder wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:20 pm
Let's have a look in 10 games and make a proper assessment. Maybe you will all be right.
Most of our issues are self inflicted, there is a time and a place for pretty football and it ain't in our penalty box and surrounding area. It won't change though risk, reward. No reward today
Thank you for a fair assessment and your perspective. I am in the same boat on this, think 10 games is a good marker. With both KP and Llorente to come back and lesser opposition to play, lets see where we stack up. I still would hope we are at least a top half team. Understand everyone's concern given our pre-season and yesterdays game.
Hoping for more to come and some new players (although I do not think they will be in shape for 6 to 10 weeks).
https://youtu.be/00XMF3up7EA
As I said cut out the individual mistakes and players not tracking runners, and it's a very different game raphs miss, klich shot first half,
"There's no new injuries that I'm aware of at the moment and of course Kalvin is always in consideration to be a starter but his lack of preparation hindered him"
It certainly sounds like him not starting was related to discipline of some sort. Tough spot for Bielsa, having to leave off your most important player and shame on KP if he hurt his teammates by not towing the line the way he should. Hopefully whatever it is won't last more than a week.
won't his lack of preparation just be down to kalvin having been at the euros and thus late to join up with the team for pre season?
either way, the decision to play Koch at cdm was criminal regardless of Kalvin's level of prep. I'd rather have a 50 per cent kalvin there than Koch sorry.
anyone been able to find extended highlights which show the build up to the goals? koch, klich and I think ayling completely lose their men for several of the goals
danhirons wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:51 am
won't his lack of preparation just be down to kalvin having been at the euros and thus late to join up with the team for pre season?
either way, the decision to play Koch at cdm was criminal regardless of Kalvin's level of prep. I'd rather have a 50 per cent kalvin there than Koch sorry.
I agree Dan couldn't believe our team selection when you think of our fitness regime & Manure had three Euro stars in their line-up who appeared to be as fit as a butchers dog.
danhirons wrote: ↑Mon Aug 16, 2021 6:52 am
anyone been able to find extended highlights which show the build up to the goals? koch, klich and I think ayling completely lose their men for several of the goals
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