The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Monday 16th August) - Leeds fail to learn last seasons lessons at Old Trafford

[1964white]

Most teams are reliant on 2/3 players, take Root out of the England cricket team, take any QB out of a top football team. It's not just you lose important players it's also you wreck the balance.

But everyone keep telling us we have a squad that can cope, truth is we struggle when Llorente & Phillips are unavailable.

Btw the England cricket set-up being totally reliant on Root is an absolute disgrace!

[Johnboy1965]

That crossed my mind as well Eire....and I said so on the match day thread.

Be interesting to see how Bamford fares with the crowds back as I believe he suffers more than most with any negativity from the terraces which inevitably impacts on his performance especially in front of goal.

[1964white]

I think we have hit a new, and possibly record low, in the Bielsa bashing.

A poster saying Bielsa doesn't care. It's...jaw dropping.

There is no doubting that Marcelo cares, he was fuming on Saturday just as he was in our friendly games when his players were making silly errors. Bielsa cares more than our fans!

[BGwhite]

Did you not see how many times we lost possession cheaply on Saturday? Our pasing was woeful.

At one stage, can't remember who it was, but it was a five yard pass to the left back and went about a metre to the side of him and out of play!

I see this regularly when watching Leeds. A lot of the time the passing accuracy is absolute garbage.

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[BGwhite]

We made plenty of mistakes on Saturday too

Why the hell are we are a yard off the pace bearing in mind Bielsa's notorious training/fitness routines?

I really thought we'd come out of the blocks with all guns firing even though we were sluggish in our friendly games after our fans kept telling us results don't matter in those matches

Well it would seem they do matter, a winning mentality is so important to success!

We are so reliant on Phillips & Llorente, without them we are a mess

Don't care what anyone says , winning is a good habit whether it's against Fleetwood , Shamrock or bloody City ! It's a confidence thing but lose most of pre season games and I assure everyone that confidence will be low going into the new season. Yes pre season games improve physical fitness but defeats will deflate any good feeling in a flash...no one goes out to lose .

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[Cjay]

MB got it wrong for me, pure and simple, he made a selection of mistakes.

KP should have started with Koch partnering one of Struijk or Cooper in defence.

Rodrigo should have been benched with Firpo at left back and Dallas in cm (and i dont particularly like Dallas at cm but its a far better balance).

And the pressing was all wrong, it was that gung ho follow your man all over the pitch pressing that we tried early doors and that better players can easily exploit. We used selective pressing in latter games to great effect so going back to the gung ho pressing was bordering on arrogant from MB imo.

Sometimes you have to accept the opposition have far more talent than you and you have to set up accordingly. Press in ceetain areas, allow certain players more time than others etc.

Bielsa was wrong in his approach, it was far more reminiscent of early last season than our latter season performances.

He was wrong, imo thats it, no great attack just a simple he got it badly wrong.

[danhirons]

MB got it wrong for me, pure and simple, he made a selection of mistakes.

KP should have started with Koch partnering one of Struijk or Cooper in defence.

Rodrigo should have been benched with Firpo at left back and Dallas in cm (and i dont particularly like Dallas at cm but its a far better balance).

And the pressing was all wrong, it was that gung ho follow your man all over the pitch pressing that we tried early doors and that better players can easily exploit. We used selective pressing in latter games to great effect so going back to the gung ho pressing was bordering on arrogant from MB imo.

Sometimes you have to accept the opposition have far more talent than you and you have to set up accordingly. Press in ceetain areas, allow certain players more time than others etc.

Bielsa was wrong in his approach, it was far more reminiscent of early last season than our latter season performances.

He was wrong, imo thats it, no great attack just a simple he got it badly wrong.

[whiteswan]

The ultimate truth, when it comes down to it.

Going to have to either stomach results like this and build slowly, or buy quality fast but take serious financial risks doing so. Trouble is, build too slowly in the Prem and it's easy to get overtaken by the rest.

I certainly wouldn't want a repeat of the Ridsdale scenario where we very nearly lost the club. How many years has it taken, for us to climb back from that...

[John in Louisiana]

A yard off the pace is going to happen when you have players playing out of position. Instead of reacting instinctively, they have to think for a second before moving. That cost us dearly in the midfield as Koch didn't move with the alacrity Kalvin usually displays. Same thing with Dallas playing at left back.

Harder to explain Raphinha's lackluster performance. Completely out of character. I have no doubt we'll see much better on Saturday.

A disappointing, humiliating loss, to be sure, but no need to push the panic button. This week's game in front of 35,000 of the faithful should be just the tonic the doctor ordered.

[The Subhuman]

But everyone keep telling us we have a squad that can cope, truth is we struggle when Llorente & Phillips are unavailable.

Btw the England cricket set-up being totally reliant on Root is an absolute disgrace!

We do have a squad that can cope

As for the cricket you know my thought on that, don't play red ball cricket enough and your test team will go to pot. The 100 will wreck test cricket for years.

Interesting discussion about that on TMS - The 100 is never going to do anything positive for the longer form. Stuart Broad (who's a rhythm bowler) said he playing too much cricket of differing sorts to bowl well at test level. He also said prior to the India tests that all of the test squad bowlers were in what the coaching/medical staff call the red zone, that is at high risk of significant injury and should be rested...

We're gonna be in the position of playing the end of the CC in days that are drawing in, early morning dew and probably a load of days lost to rain...

[The Subhuman]

The 100 really isn't cricket, it's baseball without the subtlety. I suppose it would be a bit like 5/6 a side replacing proper football while making the goals really big and only one defender allowed so scores are 30 each or something

[The Subhuman]

MB did make mistakes but we all do sooner or later and normally he's money.

That same team though could go out and beat Everton assuming Raph's radar is back working..

[Leeds1000]

I didn't see the match due to work but i have had plenty of stick. Losing to any team 11-3 over 2 games is bad but to them its almost unforgivable. It does highlight the difference in quality and where we still are in the pecking order. Somewhere around mid-table again hopefully.

Without rehashing what has been discussed... i am in the camp that if you want season on season progression then its going to cost money. 2/3 quality players a year upgrade and hopefully we get lucky with the odd youngster breaking thru.

Anyway on to the next one and hoping to get some points on the board.

[Ellandback1]

MB got it wrong for me, pure and simple, he made a selection of mistakes.

KP should have started with Koch partnering one of Struijk or Cooper in defence.

Rodrigo should have been benched with Firpo at left back and Dallas in cm (and i dont particularly like Dallas at cm but its a far better balance).

And the pressing was all wrong, it was that gung ho follow your man all over the pitch pressing that we tried early doors and that better players can easily exploit. We used selective pressing in latter games to great effect so going back to the gung ho pressing was bordering on arrogant from MB imo.

Sometimes you have to accept the opposition have far more talent than you and you have to set up accordingly. Press in ceetain areas, allow certain players more time than others etc.

Bielsa was wrong in his approach, it was far more reminiscent of early last season than our latter season performances.

He was wrong, imo thats it, no great attack just a simple he got it badly wrong.

Bielsa is an amazing coach, but his Managing is not as strong.

How many times do we see odd substitutions or square pegs in round holes

[weasel]

Morning Weasel,

Last term we were the fittest team in the Prem. How can the players lose it all during the Summer. It was less than 2 months, before pre season started.

Watching our pre season games, we looked equally off the pace, more so than our opposition that we were so much fitter than, just several months ago....

Yeah I just think for whatever reason we weren't quite there fitness wise. Maybe Bielsa mixed things up a bit to freshen things up - don't forget this is the first time he has been in charge for a 4th season - and we haven't quite got things right in terms of them peaking for last weekend. Hopefully by the Everton game we will be fully firing.

Also like others have mentioned we had a few changes so the auto-pilot systems weren't working as fluently as they do when the machine is well oiled.

End of the day it's better than getting d*cked in League 1 or the championship.

On a side note it was interesting to see that Huddersfiled and Man CIty also lost. The 2 teams who play most like us.