Leeds Utd v Everton Match Thread - Phillips and Firpo in, Koch and Rodrigo out

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Re: Leeds Utd v Everton Match Thread - Phillips and Firpo in, Koch and Rodrigo out

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Irish Ian wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:32 pmExplain.
Last season was unprecedented in football, no fans all season, none of the lift the fans give but also none of the pressure that comes with playing in front of fans.

Players were playing in a goldfish bowel devoid of the natural pressure that fans generate both good and bad.

The anxiety, the passion, the positivity, all of it.

In the past our players have really struggled with pressure when it maters most, playoff defeats, end of seasons collapses, cup final and semi final defeats, and this goes back decades to the Revie side.

A 9th place finish in front of no fans doesnt mean that we can just assume all will be well this season, players will improve, new signings will come into their own, the board are absolutely convinced this will happen based on last season, they have reiterated this more than once and have used it to defend the transfer policy this summer.

The problem is last season wasnt normal, this season is, our teams have collapsed under pressure before, its far from guaranteed that it wont happen again and taking it for granted as our board are could be a dreadful mistake imo.

Not saying it will happen just that it is far from an impossibility and this continuation or improvement that is expected could be totally derailed by the simple fact fans bring pressure and players cant cope.

I am sceptical that players like Cooper, Bamford, Ayling etc had the season of their lives with no fans when we have seen before that pressure really does get to them ( we even saw it today with Cooper)
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Re: Leeds Utd v Everton Match Thread - Phillips and Firpo in, Koch and Rodrigo out

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Mick Jones shoulder wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:59 pm Point more than last season. Early days but christ we looked wide open.
Far too open in both our games so far :(
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Re: Leeds Utd v Everton Match Thread - Phillips and Firpo in, Koch and Rodrigo out

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Chilli D wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:04 pm Sorry all you Cooper fans but he cannot defend without grappling and shirt pulling. I doubt it will be the last penalty he concedes this season.
Still have the seasonal red card to come yet :(
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Re: Leeds Utd v Everton Match Thread - Phillips and Firpo in, Koch and Rodrigo out

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We proved today we can work hard. Everton were a lot more knackered than us at the end, though they did have the better opportunities.

Who do we drop when Llorente is fit?
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Re: Leeds Utd v Everton Match Thread - Phillips and Firpo in, Koch and Rodrigo out

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Saw very little of the game today, will have to watch highlights on MotD, but on one match report I read says that we had 13 shots on goal, with 4 on target, whilst Everton only had 9, but 7 were on target. Seems MB hasn't yet found the answer to our profligacy in front of goal :duno:
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Re: Leeds Utd v Everton Match Thread - Phillips and Firpo in, Koch and Rodrigo out

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Cjay wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:42 pm Last season was unprecedented in football, no fans all season, none of the lift the fans give but also none of the pressure that comes with playing in front of fans.

Players were playing in a goldfish bowel devoid of the natural pressure that fans generate both good and bad.

The anxiety, the passion, the positivity, all of it.

In the past our players have really struggled with pressure when it maters most, playoff defeats, end of seasons collapses, cup final and semi final defeats, and this goes back decades to the Revie side.

A 9th place finish in front of no fans doesnt mean that we can just assume all will be well this season, players will improve, new signings will come into their own, the board are absolutely convinced this will happen based on last season, they have reiterated this more than once and have used it to defend the transfer policy this summer.

The problem is last season wasnt normal, this season is, our teams have collapsed under pressure before, its far from guaranteed that it wont happen again and taking it for granted as our board are could be a dreadful mistake imo.

Not saying it will happen just that it is far from an impossibility and this continuation or improvement that is expected could be totally derailed by the simple fact fans bring pressure and players cant cope.
This is a fair take, but they could also feed off the crowds and produce better results (despite recent history). Thought the players responded well today. It could easily have come completely undone at 1-0 or 2-1. Meslier and Raph weren't part of the sides that struggled with pressure and they certainly showed up today.
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Ellandback1 wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:45 pm We proved today we can work hard. Everton were a lot more knackered than us at the end, though they did have the better opportunities.

Who do we drop when Llorente is fit?
Cooper one would think. Struijk still young , I'd go with koch and Llorente and see how it pans out. Two internationals
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Carrick Dave wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:17 pm Would anyone else have been pleased if we'd signed Demarai Gray for £1.7m? Steal.
Even before Bielsa arrived at ER we never liked pacy wingers running at us.
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1964white wrote: Even before Bielsa arrived at ER we never liked pacy wingers running at us.
TBF no one ever does. I'm sure defenders hate Raphs running at them.

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whiteswan wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:41 pm Not this one
Or me , but 10 games in is time for judgement. Cooper doesn't inspire confidence which transfers to his partners to be imo
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Do we think MB needs treatment for withdrawal symptoms because he didnt bring Costa on? :oops:
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And come on Lewis Dunk get your fat arse in the air score a goal and get me some points
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BobHirst wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:18 pm Before anyone decides that Firpo is no good.
I remember Evra and Vidic when they first started at Man United. They looked awful for the first few games. I think it's fair to say that they ended up being very good players.
So give him a chance.
Yes I agree but I think we're starting to see what qualities Alioski brought to the team.
I can't ever see Firpo making those lung bursting overlapping runs.
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Good resilience from the players to come back twice. Still things for Bielsa to work on and llorente has to replace Cooper who seems to forget it’s referee by camera these days. I’m as frustrated as anyone with recruitment but I’m a Leeds supporter not a detractor and I’m with the lads we have at the club this season.
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Cjay wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:42 pm Last season was unprecedented in football, no fans all season, none of the lift the fans give but also none of the pressure that comes with playing in front of fans.

Players were playing in a goldfish bowel devoid of the natural pressure that fans generate both good and bad.

The anxiety, the passion, the positivity, all of it.

In the past our players have really struggled with pressure when it maters most, playoff defeats, end of seasons collapses, cup final and semi final defeats, and this goes back decades to the Revie side.

A 9th place finish in front of no fans doesnt mean that we can just assume all will be well this season, players will improve, new signings will come into their own, the board are absolutely convinced this will happen based on last season, they have reiterated this more than once and have used it to defend the transfer policy this summer.

The problem is last season wasnt normal, this season is, our teams have collapsed under pressure before, its far from guaranteed that it wont happen again and taking it for granted as our board are could be a dreadful mistake imo.

Not saying it will happen just that it is far from an impossibility and this continuation or improvement that is expected could be totally derailed by the simple fact fans bring pressure and players cant cope.

I am sceptical that players like Cooper, Bamford, Ayling etc had the season of their lives with no fans when we have seen before that pressure really does get to them ( we even saw it today with Cooper)
I am not saying you are wrong but it way too early to make the assumption.

We all have fears but nothing is guaranteed in sport. It is one of its attractions.

We have managed to draw level three times already this season. Not folding but fighting back. We didnt fold last week we were just outplayed by a better side.
I think we have enough in the squad to meet the clubs goals ( not the fans expectations) which meant spend big last time to protect us from relegation. I did hope for more investment but perhaps we couldnt atract the ones we wanted. Contrary to opinion not every player wants to play for Bielsa or Leeds.

On the field the main difference this time is that they team will not to hear Bielsa roaring at them. Will that hinder them? Maybe but who knows?

Too early to say. Perhaps by January we will know more.
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Cjay wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 4:57 pm Do we think MB needs treatment for withdrawal symptoms because he didnt bring Costa on? :oops:
He is that predictable unfortunately!
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If we were offered to finish 12th this season, would you take it?
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Ellandback1 wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:21 pm If we were offered to finish 12th this season, would you take it?
Yep
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Anonymous wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:22 pm Is no one going to make a goldfish bowel joke?
Did consider it Sara 😂
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Ellandback1 wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:21 pm If we were offered to finish 12th this season, would you take it?
No because if we don't finish above 9th this season we will lose Raph imo.

He won't stay if he can't see progress
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