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Good Morning. It's Monday 15th November, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Leeds lining up swift bid

Multiple media sources are reporting that Leeds are lining up a bid for Reading midfielder John Swift. The 26 year old has had an electric start to the season with the Royals, finding the back of the net on eight accessions, as well as seven assists! He has also featured in all 17 league games this term, a far cry from his 14 last season due to injury. Wolves and Burnley are also interested in the former Chelsea youngster.





Orta makes contact with Nketiah

Media reports have suggested that Victor Orta has made recent contact with Eddie Nketiah regarding a move to West Yorkshire in January. The 22 year old has become surplus to requirements at the Emirates after refusing to sign a new deal at the North London club. Instead of waiting until next Summer when multiple clubs will be scrambling for his signature, the Leeds Director of Football wants to strike first whilst the iron is hot.

Crystal Palace has a bid accepted in the region of £12m, but Nketiah could not agree personal terms with Patrick Viera. Currently, Leeds have one (goal scoring) striker in the first XI, but with the emergence of Joe Gelhardt, they could soon have further options up front! Would £8-10m be a bargain for Nketiah?





Do we miss Alioski more than we thought we would

Social media lit up over the weekend when Ezgjan Alioski posted a picture of himself with Illan Meslier. The French U21 shot-stopper is preparing to take on North Macedonia's U21's on Tuesday evening, whilst 'the Duracell bunny helped his senior side (and also opened the scoring) to a 3-1 win over Iceland.

Alioski left Elland Road in the Summer, to sign a lucrative deal with Saudi outfit Al-Ahli. Whilst he was not blessed with the same kind of skill-set as Raphinha; his heart, determination, and ability to cover every blade of grass meant that the mischievous 29yo got plenty of game time during his four years at Elland Road.





The squad at Elland Road has time on its side

There's an interesting piece in 'The Athletic' this morning written by Specialist Data Analyst Mark Carew and Phil Hay regarding at what age and position football players reach their peak, and then comparing it to Leeds, and their exploits this season!

Leeds have a small crop of first-team regulars who are in their 30s and slightly beyond what football would class as their peak, but the majority are below that point and some, such as Kalvin Phillips and Patrick Bamford, are right in the zone where Leeds should be getting most out of them. If the younger crop is as good as Leeds think it is, Bielsa has a good hand to work with and his successor stands to inherit plenty of players on the rise.

In The Athletic’s framework of when footballers peak in their careers, the analysis found that goalkeepers peak at 28, centre-backs at 27, full-backs and central midfielders at 25, wingers and attacking midfielders at 26 and strikers at 27. That correlation can be seen in Phillips and Bamford, both of whom have made the England squad right at the point of peak age.

The data provides some context for the state of the squad at Leeds and guidance for managing it in forthcoming transfer windows. The graphic is a breakdown of the ages of each of Bielsa’s players showing where they fall in relation to the stage when their impact should peak". "Looking at the results, the club have a good number of names either in the red “peak” zone or to the left of it, a sign of how reluctant they are to pay for players who have already come through the development phase.

Raphinha could yet to be at his peak, which is one reason, beyond his obvious talent, that he would appeal to elite European teams. Illan Meslier, too, is 21 and a long way off his maximum value, putting him in the list of players who Leeds can expect to see improvement in. Several others are already Premier League regulars or have been blooded in the division: Jack Harrison, Daniel James, Pascal Struijk and Robin Koch.

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I thought we had tried and tested Nketiah and he failed to bring him back on a permanent basis imo its a waste of time.. dont know much about the reading guy but at least we are identifying the right area of concern.
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No to Eddie Nketiah, I would rather see us give more game time to Joffy and/or Greenwood.

Yes to John Swift - you have only to look at the peak age graph to see we have only one name in the amf section and I wouldn’t class Forshaw as an assist machine. That position desperately needs strengthening.

Always liked Alioski and whilst Firpo may eventually prove his equal on the pitch (not quite there yet imo), I can imagine he will never be able to replace his presence in the dressing room.
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I reckon there could be some truth in the Nketiah rumour, Bielsa has certain players in his mind just as was the case with Dan James, he finally got his man two years later, at a price though!

Aliioski scored a super goal for North Macedonia last night in their victory over Iceland clinching a world cup play-off place.

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John Swift

Its a yes from me.

His fitness is a massive concern but beggers cant be choosers and its a relatively small financial risk id have thought.

Good technical player and would provide a creative spark from cm which we havent had since Pablo left.

Hopefully take some of the burden of Raph.

Nketiah.

No we arent interested in Eddie at all.

Orta may be, Bielsa isnt, we saw that when he was here. Eddie didnt press like Bamford, couldn't hold the ball up and couldn't play the midfield role in Bielsa's mind like Rodders (he cant either) or Roofe (neither could he).

Said it all along, Nketiah was Orta's pick Kent was Bielsa.

Alioski

Everyone misses Ali!!!!

We definitely do miss him on the pitch to imo. We havent replaced his energy, we havent replaced his goal threat or creativity. Even as a full back Ali was a threat offensively.

Very underrated by our fanbase imo, now he has gone we are seeing how much he really did for the team.

Squad.

Well according to that graph thing Bamford and Llorente will be 29 by the time next season starts or early on so will be past their prime.

And Rodrigo was past his prime when we signed him.

Adam Forshaw is an attacking midfielder? :lol:

Well that brings the credibility of that whole thing in to question.

For me the graph just shows that we do need an overhaul in the summer.

If you pick the first 11 on that list.

Next season past their peak

Bamford, Rodrigo, Klich, Dallas, Ayling, Cooper and can throw Forshaw in their to.

I think we have to be very careful about over rating the capabilities of our youth players.

It wasnt long ago people wanted Halme, Stevens, Rey, Wilks, Davis, Gotts, Edmondson to get a chance and look where they are now.
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Who's the moron that came up with that graph ...never seen so much crap in my life
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Yes to Swift. We are desperate for some midfield creativity and goal scoring, worth the gamble I reckon.

Definite no to Nketia. Didn’t work the last time and can’t see it working the second time.

Most wanted a better defending left back than Alioski but we definitely miss his attacking threat. Just as importantly, Harrison misses him.
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Cjay wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:06 pm John Swift

Its a yes from me.

His fitness is a massive concern but beggers cant be choosers and its a relatively small financial risk id have thought.

Good technical player and would provide a creative spark from cm which we havent had since Pablo left.

Hopefully take some of the burden of Raph.

Nketiah.

No we arent interested in Eddie at all.

Orta may be, Bielsa isnt, we saw that when he was here. Eddie didnt press like Bamford, couldn't hold the ball up and couldn't play the midfield role in Bielsa's mind like Rodders (he cant either) or Roofe (neither could he).

Said it all along, Nketiah was Orta's pick Kent was Bielsa.

Alioski

Everyone misses Ali!!!!

We definitely do miss him on the pitch to imo. We havent replaced his energy, we havent replaced his goal threat or creativity. Even as a full back Ali was a threat offensively.

Very underrated by our fanbase imo, now he has gone we are seeing how much he really did for the team.

Squad.

Well according to that graph thing Bamford and Llorente will be 29 by the time next season starts or early on so will be past their prime.

And Rodrigo was past his prime when we signed him.

Adam Forshaw is an attacking midfielder? :lol:

Well that brings the credibility of that whole thing in to question.

For me the graph just shows that we do need an overhaul in the summer.

If you pick the first 11 on that list.

Next season past their peak

Bamford, Rodrigo, Klich, Dallas, Ayling, Cooper and can throw Forshaw in their to.

I think we have to be very careful about over rating the capabilities of our youth players.

It wasnt long ago people wanted Halme, Stevens, Rey, Wilks, Davis, Gotts, Edmondson to get a chance and look where they are now.
I don't remember anyone ever saying they thought Wilkes would make the first team ( I could be wrong).
Edmondson has been very unlucky with injuries. Leif Davis is playing for one of the best 3 teams in the Championship and could well be playing PL football next season. Scott Parker was full of praise for him last week. Stevens and Gotts didn't live up to expectations but could still work their way up to Championship level.

I think some of our current crop of U23's are on a much higher level than the previous bunch. Gelhardt, Summerville, Dramah and Cresswell have already proved they can step up and I'm pretty sure Bate will as well.
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Leeds lining up swift bid.

Lets hope so we dally around too often.

Orta makes contact with Nketiah

Does tha know what. I have changed my mind about this kid at the reported £12m. Imo he would be the most natural finisher on our books and it would be another option up top. In saying that he won't come, his next move he will want to know he's got the best chance of playing regular. He needs to be playing regularly to get the best out of himself. Newcastle may take a punt on the kid?

Do we miss Alioski more than we thought we would

He offered better balance down the left with Harrison because they had played together for a few seasons. Firpo should....? turn out to be a better defender imo. Will he be as potent in attack? I'm not sure.
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I do not know a great deal about Swift but it sounds like he would be a good addition - however, if he has fitness concerns then they will be exposed under the MB training regime.

Nketiah is essentially a poacher and is sharp in the box. We could do with that type of player when we are on top in a game or chasing a goal when the opposition is camped in their own half defending a 1 goal lead, or holding on for a point. A player with his sharpness in the six yard box is something we do not have.
He showed that in the Championship by scoring goals under those conditions. However, I would not consider him a starter and as such doubt he would want to join without assurances about his playing/squad status.

We miss Alioski because our supposed upgrade is anything but currently. Jury is still out on Firpo. Ironic that if Alioski had accepted the contract offered he would have played a lot of games this season. But he clearly felt he could achieve better terms elsewhere. Personally I would have taken Charlie Taylor back. His game would suit our style and he would flourish under Bielsa.
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DDB220 wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:55 pm Personally I would have taken Charlie Taylor back. His game would suit our style and he would flourish under Bielsa.
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faaip wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:43 pm Who's the moron that came up with that graph ...never seen so much crap in my life
Tom Worville.

Used to work for The Athletic but his work in the analysis and statistical field of football and football recruitment impressed so much that he left to join RB Leipzig who are universally admired in football for their work in that field.

Definitely not a moron.
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But no basis for reasonable analysis
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