Whats gone wrong . .

[Byebyegeegee]

Whether you understand Bielsa’s methods or not, if they appear to be working and the team is on the up, as has been the case since he came into the club, then fans are going to be happy with the situation. And I am, and will always be grateful to him for taking this “Premier League Club” back to where, by any measure, it really should be.

When things take a downturn as they have this season then imo fans are quite entitled to question his methods, especially when, judging by recent performances, they are appearing to be counterproductive. I agree that, as you say, switching players positions will increase their understanding and make them better players in the long run but I feel that this should be done in training, or, if it must be done in matches, then at least when we are on a winning run and confidence is high, not in when confidence is low and we are desperate for points.

Questioning his methods doesn’t equate to saying he doesn’t deserve our support. Personally, I desperately want him to stay and turn things around but I’m not going to shy away from constructive criticism on this forum, albeit in moderation, if I feel it is called for.

[Clacton White]

Thanks Clacton, we're not so bad after all, contrary to some opinions.

Thats Ok , I haven't seen anything on here that is overtly nasty , of course I may have missed something but it does seem everyone let's others have their say and not jump down their throats .One of the people on SQB I likened to a demented spinning top , lashing out randomly against basically anyone who disagreed or who he didn't understand the context of what was said , often the written word can be misinterpreted .I find it best on such to laugh it off .

[Carrick Dave]

Also it's well reported Bielsa has his staff translate all manner of things for him to read.

It isn't beyond the realm of possibility that he indeed does read this forum ir at the very least someone does for him.

If he does we'll be fine then, five minutes browsing the real experts will make it clear where he's going wrong.

[Mick Jones shoulder]

If he was offended by anything on here , that really would denote a flaw in character. I'd say this place leans more towards sycophantic behaviour.

[weasel]

If he was offended by anything on here , that really would denote a flaw in character. I'd say this place leans more towards sycophantic behaviour.

It isn't about him feeling offended it is about him feeling unwanted. Judging from him walking out of clubs in the past I doubt he would stick around here if he felt unwanted.

[liggy]

All he has to do is tell the lads to run around the pitch 4 times
First 2 back pick the teams worst player goes in goal
Jumpers for goalposts
A few cans after the kick around
You don't need to do owt fancy it a simple game.

[Byebyegeegee]

All he has to do is tell the lads to run around the pitch 4 times
First 2 back pick the teams worst player goes in goal
Jumpers for goalposts
A few cans after the kick around
You don't need to do owt fancy it a simple game.

Yep, that’s how it worked in our playground Liggy. Great stuff!

[rab_rant]

It isn't about him feeling offended it is about him feeling unwanted. Judging from him walking out of clubs in the past I doubt he would stick around here if he felt unwanted.

I just watched the Kalvin Post match interview and pointedly the interviewer asked him if he enjoyed being back in his normal position instead of centre back.

He replied that he would play in goal if that's where Bielsa wanted him, and that he was also aware of the rubbish that's been written on social media.

So the players do get caught up in places like Twitter and they get to hear all the negative comments that are thrown about by uncomprehending fans... just fanning the Flames of Discord... and who knows how much damage it does.

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[Mick Jones shoulder]

I just watched the Kalvin Post match interview and pointedly the interviewer asked him if he enjoyed being back in his normal position instead of centre back.

He replied that he would play in goal if that's where Bielsa wanted him, and that he was also aware of the rubbish that's been written on social media.

So the players do get caught up in places like Twitter and they get to hear all the negative comments that are thrown about by uncomprehending fans... just fanning the Flames of Discord... and who knows how much damage it does.

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Ever thought about a position in public relations for lufc.

[The Subhuman]

Presumably this is a thread for negativity not a serious suggestion

[hector]

Presumably this is a thread for negativity not a serious suggestion

touche

[CHAPELALLMAN]

I'm not against fans questioning the decisions, I'd have loved to have seen Joe start again and I don't think Bielsa has any problem with fans questioning decisions. We have often seen him explaining things, shouldering up to responsiblity etc. It is more the continued questioning as if fans don't understand Bielsa's methods at all. The round pegs thing a classic example yet from day 1 Bielsa has done this and it has made players better through it, increased their understanding, made it easier for us to play fast flowing football as the players know other player's roles, know what runs they will be amking, know what positions to get into etc when we lose the ball.

For me it wasn't just the Bielsa 'love' that made him stay longer. I think it was that he felt the fans were on the same wavelength as Bielsa, we could see why he was doign things, we loved him making the players tidy up the rubbish - would KP etc be too big to clean up rubbish now?

He felt wanted, he felt understood. It was a perfect fit. If he doesn't feel wanted then is he really going to stick around in a different country away from his family? He certainly wouldn't stick around for the money, he has shown that repeatedly throughout his career.

He doesn't owe us anything, we were a mid level championship team when he took over with a squad of players with little value. If he doesn't deserve our support then I despair.

Well this is the manager who had 20 angry fans turn up at his home back in Argentina after a 6-0 thrashing. That's when he confronted them with a hand grenade...So I don't think some disgruntled fans making comments on a forum is going to freak him out too much. Surely after all his years in football he is made of sterner stuff than that ?

Plus £6m a year in renumeration is enough surely to counterbalance the pressures which inevitably come with football management ?

[Overman]

Well this is the manager who had 20 angry fans turn up at his home back in Argentina after a 6-0 thrashing. That's when he confronted them with a hand grenade...So I don't think some disgruntled fans making comments on a forum is going to freak him out too much. Surely after all his years in football he is made of sterner stuff than that ?

Plus £6m a year in renumeration is enough surely to counterbalance the pressures which inevitably come with football management ?

Great to have you back on board Chapelallman.

[The Subhuman]

touche

I liked the irony ...

[Cjay]

Presumably this is a thread for negativity not a serious suggestion

It wasnt a suggestion it was an observation

Nice attempt though

Good effort

[The Subhuman]

It wasnt a suggestion it was an observation

Nice attempt though

Good effort

Semantics

[weasel]

Well this is the manager who had 20 angry fans turn up at his home back in Argentina after a 6-0 thrashing. That's when he confronted them with a hand grenade...So I don't think some disgruntled fans making comments on a forum is going to freak him out too much. Surely after all his years in football he is made of sterner stuff than that ?

Plus £6m a year in renumeration is enough surely to counterbalance the pressures which inevitably come with football management ?

It's like people don't even read before answering. I have lost count of how many times I have said that money is irrelevant to Bielsa. He has walked out of clubs countless times and if he was just after money he'd have signed a longer deal and then been in a position to get a huge pay-out if he was sacked.

And again I say it isn't about him feeling intimidated, freaked out or not being stern. It is about him feeling wanted or not wanted and I feel if he feels like the fans no longer wanted him here then he wouldn't simply stick around. He didn't stay at Newells for a huge length of time, maybe the angry fans turning up played a part in making him feel not wanted there.

[Aussieleeds]

A win on Sunday and we are likely to be in 11th place. If that happens then I’d say “Not much has gone wrong at all.”

[CHAPELALLMAN]

It's like people don't even read before answering. I have lost count of how many times I have said that money is irrelevant to Bielsa. He has walked out of clubs countless times and if he was just after money he'd have signed a longer deal and then been in a position to get a huge pay-out if he was sacked.

And again I say it isn't about him feeling intimidated, freaked out or not being stern. It is about him feeling wanted or not wanted and I feel if he feels like the fans no longer wanted him here then he wouldn't simply stick around. He didn't stay at Newells for a huge length of time, maybe the angry fans turning up played a part in making him feel not wanted there.

Well that's just your guesswork and your interpretation about what you think his feelings are about money. With all due respect you're not his accountant or his spokesperson about money. I'm not saying that money is everything to him, however the fact that he commanded the highest wage in the champoionship and one of the highest in the PL is proof that it's not an insignificant factor to him. Otherwise he would say ' I've made a lot in football and don't need the money, so I will do it for 500K a year. That will more than cover the rent of my one bedroom flat in Wetherby.'

Bielsa is actually the 5th highest paid manager in the PL and we are in what, 15th place....Sorry, but I don't buy into the romantic notions about Bielsa - he's only here because he loves the club etc. I'm pretty sure that if the club had offered him say 2m for this season he would have gone straight back to his ranch in Argentina. At the end of the day it's the fans who have true love and passion for the club - the players and managers are really just professionals earning a living. I'm sure that Bielsa has developed a fondness for the club and Wetherby etc whilst he has been here, but at the end of the day the fact that the club were willing to make him the best paid manager in the championship clearly had a major bearing on why he was tempted to try and resurrect a sleeping giant. It wont have been everything, but I think it's naive to thing that it wasn't a major factor.

[Lumiukko]

Well that's just your guesswork and your interpretation about what you think his feelings are about money. With all due respect you're not his accountant or his spokesperson about money. I'm not saying that money is everything to him, however the fact that he commanded the highest wage in the champoionship and one of the highest in the PL is proof that it's not an insignificant factor to him. Otherwise he would say ' I've made a lot in football and don't need the money, so I will do it for 500K a year. That will more than cover the rent of my one bedroom flat in Wetherby.'

Bielsa is actually the 5th highest paid manager in the PL and we are in what, 15th place....Sorry, but I don't buy into the romantic notions about Bielsa - he's only here because he loves the club etc. I'm pretty sure that if the club had offered him say 2m for this season he would have gone straight back to his ranch in Argentina. At the end of the day it's the fans who have true love and passion for the club - the players and managers are really just professionals earning a living. I'm sure that Bielsa has developed a fondness for the club and Wetherby etc whilst he has been here, but at the end of the day the fact that the club were willing to make him the best paid manager in the championship clearly had a major bearing on why he was tempted to try and resurrect a sleeping giant. It wont have been everything, but I think it's naive to thing that it wasn't a major factor.

How does Bielsa's wage stack up against other PL managers once Bielsa has paid his whole team/backroom staff out if it? He has a very unique wage structure in that he pays his team out of that 6m he earns a year. Just asking since you're not his accountant either.

That said, I don't have an answer about whether he does it for the money or does he do it for the love and passion. I think it's probably somewhere in-between, like most people with a good job that they like.

And will he walk if the fans get on his back? I don't know either but the way some folk talk, it would appear they would like to test the hypotheses.