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Good Morning. It's Friday 17th December, and here are the latest headlines from Elland Road...


Fans jump to Tyler Roberts defence

If you could describe one player from the Leeds roster as Marmite, it would be Tyler Roberts. The 22 year old is either loved or loathed, and passions have been running high in recent games. Roberts joined the Whites from West Brom for £2.5m in the 2018 January transfer window. He has made 95 appearances, and has netted 9 times, albeit only twice in the top flight. Fans have been reaching for their keyboard in recent games in support of the Welsh International, whose ratings have shot through the roof in the last month.

Bielsa himself is a staunch fan of Roberts, and has faith that his talents will continue to shine through. Many of his displays have been described as tidy and safe, whilst the fans who have criticised him are looking for a game changer, something which is sadly lacking in Bielsa's squad at the moment.

Perhaps the problem lies that Roberts is a forward, that doesn't score goals; though the same could be said of 30m signing Rodrigo. Both players possess a special talent, but do we know what their best positions are. If we throw Dan James into the mix (a winger who has been asked to play centrally as a forward) perhaps we are beginning to understand our lack of goals this season?





Bielsa plays down January investment

During his post match press conference yesterday, Marcelo Bielsa gave Leeds fans a bleak forecast relating to next months transfer window. The Argentine was quick to point out the Radrizzani had already ploughed £130m into the squad (over two seasons) and didn't know whether there were any funds left in the coffers?

He also mentioned that Leeds would be able to recall any player that is currently on loan if they needed to do so. Whilst it's noble taking full responsibility for the squad he has built over his four-year tenure, it doesn't help the millions of Leeds fans (cos we ALL love Leeds) who face the stark realisation that Yorkshire's finest could be confined to another decade or two outside in the lower leagues.

The only thing I said and I reiterate is that to bring in players they should be better than the ones we already have. The club has invested £130m in this squad, I don’t know if they can or can’t invest more. But I’m not in conditions to demand incorporations when the organisations has been so responsible.

Every player that is on loan that can be recovered and have been manifested in the six months that have passed, if they were similar to the level of the squad at the moment we would see. They went on loan and the club understood my idea, the players were in better conditions that the ones we loaned out. “What we have to verify is if there has been an evolution in them outside of the club.




I will fight until the end - Bielsa

Marcelo Bielsa has pledged to stay at Elland Road, at least until the end of the season, when his latest one year contract expires. The 66yo promised Leeds fans that he will continue fighting to the end, and would not give up on the Whites. When asked whether his job was safe, he told the packed out press conference that the job of a coach is not a stable one.

I never feel it is good to promise. What you have asked me I don’t know how to interpret it. After a big defeat you’re very sensitive, to say that I have taken them as far as I can is to say it is a closed cycle.

Of course I am going to continue fighting until the end of the season. I always thing with adversity you have to fight, you never know if strength is going to be enough and what the progression is of the difficulties we face. “Having said that, I am going to fight until the end of the season without any doubts. I hope nothing happens that doesn’t allow that to act what I’ve said.

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There are no Roberts's lovers amongst the fans. There are simply those who treat him as they do anyone else. Acknowledge his strengths and weaknesses and applaud him when he does well.

There are plenty of haters though, those who refuse to acknowledge when he plays well, and in fact resent it when he does.
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In the end its all words. Bielsa can say what he likes and what performance he expects, but ultimately up to the players. No amount of talking will make a jot of difference. Personally hoping for a six week break now in season. No team would benefit more than us with our injury crisis. January, we know well sign nobody. Bielsa criteria being they have to be better than we have. Given half our squad are knackered on the medical tables, it surely wouldn't be hard to find an improvement
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I don't think it helps that Bielsa keeps taking responsibility for the players. They get paid millions, and are full time professionals. Perhaps if they were held responsible, their performances may improve?
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Ellandback1 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:46 am I don't think it helps that Bielsa keeps taking responsibility for the players. They get paid millions, and are full time professionals. Perhaps if they were held responsible, their performances may improve?
The thing is.... in most clubs that happens by the player being dropped the next game, and then having to fight for his place..

However that does not happen here... generally the player knows he is guaranteed to play next game no matter what he does or doesn't do.....
There is no incentive to do well...... Not that they should need an incentive at this level....
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HarryofOz wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:02 am There are no Roberts's lovers amongst the fans. There are simply those who treat him as they do anyone else. Acknowledge his strengths and weaknesses and applaud him when he does well.

There are plenty of haters though, those who refuse to acknowledge when he plays well, and in fact resent it when he does.
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Shouldn't the headline be "Faaip jumps to Tyler Roberts defence?" 😁
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I like roberts and really want him to succeed, he has obvious attributes but his decision making and finishing let him down.

Saw this morning the last CM we brought in was forshaw in jan 2018 so almost 4 years ago - seems mad to me in such a crucial area especially since we were promoted to the best league in the world.
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You are not a proper fan if you don’t want players to succeed.

Roberts is a symptom of our current situation not the cause. The criminal lack of quality investment results in a player like Roberts being constantly thrown into the mix when they are not of the level required in this league.

Good on him for putting in some decent performances and he will continue to get game time because he is in the Bielsa 16. I do hope he continues to improve but the progression is marginal IMO.

I will never slag off any LUFC player who walks onto the pitch. Whether I think they are up to it is not a negative just an opinion.
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Slagging players is big No from me just can't see a good reason why.

You would have to be stupid to not think the players see some of the stuff wrote about them and all it does is build pressure.

Always held the view encouragement not abuse is the way to get the best out of anyone.

Only time for me that a player needs criticising is when they don't try. Don't think any of our current team deserves that finger pointing at them.
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Reading between the lines we aren’t going to invest in any new players in January.

I’m glad Bielsa has committed to the end of the season as imo he is our best chance of survival, I just hope Radrizzani doesn’t get cold feet.
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hector wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:58 am The thing is.... in most clubs that happens by the player being dropped the next game, and then having to fight for his place..

However that does not happen here... generally the player knows he is guaranteed to play next game no matter what he does or doesn't do.....
There is no incentive to do well...... Not that they should need an incentive at this level....
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HarryofOz wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 9:02 am There are no Roberts's lovers amongst the fans. There are simply those who treat him as they do anyone else. Acknowledge his strengths and weaknesses and applaud him when he does well.

There are plenty of haters though, those who refuse to acknowledge when he plays well, and in fact resent it when he does.
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VinnysTattoo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:59 am You are not a proper fan if you don’t want players to succeed.

Roberts is a symptom of our current situation not the cause. The criminal lack of quality investment results in a player like Roberts being constantly thrown into the mix when they are not of the level required in this league.

Good on him for putting in some decent performances and he will continue to get game time because he is in the Bielsa 16. I do hope he continues to improve but the progression is marginal IMO.

I will never slag off any LUFC player who walks onto the pitch. Whether I think they are up to it is not a negative just an opinion.
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whiteroseboy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:01 am Slagging players is big No from me just can't see a good reason why.

You would have to be stupid to not think the players see some of the stuff wrote about them and all it does is build pressure.

Always held the view encouragement not abuse is the way to get the best out of anyone.

Only time for me that a player needs criticising is when they don't try. Don't think any of our current team deserves that finger pointing at them.
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Criticism is fine if you back it up, "Roberts is s**t", "Oh god it's Roberts" and "Why the f**k is Roberts starting" and a myriad of others is not criticism ..
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Fans jump to Tyler Roberts defence

Other than his good goal the other day, i haven't seen a massive uptick in Roberts performance personally, ok he may have got better from a very low bar but he's had more than enough time to prove himself and is not good enough for the PL, possibly not even the top half of the Championship, but that's my opinion based on his performances over the years. In his favour he was injured all the time so maybe its his time now to shine. We need him now more than ever.

Bielsa plays down January investment

I think Bielsa is doing the honorable thing and playing up the money spent by the club. When we can all see most of the players recruited have been injured for large swathes of their time here. Depending what happens with Omincron i do think the club will try and get bodies in in January.

I will fight until the end - Bielsa.

When it comes to sentimentality this statement stings. I will be sad to see him leave when he calls it a day, possibly at the end of the season who knows but the philosophy he has instilled at the club as left us with good foundations after being in ruin for over a decade.
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I try to be fair with players, some i rate more than others but i do try to praise the good when it occurs.

Roberts has shown some improvement lately and that deserves credit.

I agree with Vinny about Roberts being a symptom not a cause.

We have totally neglected our midfield (no signing since Forshaw years ago as WhiteRose pointed out).

With all things being equal, fully fit and in form its highly unlikely Tyler Roberts or for that matter Adam Forshaw start in midfield for any other Premier league team. Its even highly debatable having had a glimpse at the squads that they even make the bench (Roberts remember is kept out of the Wales starting 11 by an ancient Joe Allen, Joe Morell, Keifer Moore, Jonny Williams, Will Vaulks, we arent talking the cream of the crop here and as for Forshaw he has spent most of his career as a bit part player in the Championship and only a small part of that was injury).

So in fairness to Roberts its not his fault he plays. Should he have done better with the chances he has been given over the years? Yes, i cant remember exactly the stats but he had played the majority of 50 odd games here and was getting goals and assists in 1 in 4 or 1 in 10 which clearly isnt enough.

But he has improved somewhat in recent weeks and should be praised for that.
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The club would be mad to not invest in January.

Absolutely loopy

Not just that these deals should be agreed in principle now, ready to get over the line within the first few days of the month.
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Cjay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:33 pm I try to be fair with players, some i rate more than others but i do try to praise the good when it occurs.

Roberts has shown some improvement lately and that deserves credit.

I agree with Vinny about Roberts being a symptom not a cause.

We have totally neglected our midfield (no signing since Forshaw years ago as WhiteRose pointed out).

With all things being equal, fully fit and in form its highly unlikely Tyler Roberts or for that matter Adam Forshaw start in midfield for any other Premier league team. Its even highly debatable having had a glimpse at the squads that they even make the bench (Roberts remember is kept out of the Wales starting 11 by an ancient Joe Allen, Joe Morell, Keifer Moore, Jonny Williams, Will Vaulks, we arent talking the cream of the crop here and as for Forshaw he has spent most of his career as a bit part player in the Championship and only a small part of that was injury).

So in fairness to Roberts its not his fault he plays. Should he have done better with the chances he has been given over the years? Yes, i cant remember exactly the stats but he had played the majority of 50 odd games here and was getting goals and assists in 1 in 4 or 1 in 10 which clearly isnt enough.

But he has improved somewhat in recent weeks and should be praised for that.
He's never been able to break MB's penchant for starting the same 11 if possible no matter what. I think this maybe his first real run starting in the first 11 and it's showing. In case you haven't noticed he's becoming a better centre mid by the game. Good in the air, clever passer of the ball, strong on and off the ball, wins tackles, good shot on him and his stats would be a lot better if those he's set up put them away. You posted what if's for Raph pre season IIRC but Roberts equally as unlucky

Coming off the bench is a skill in itself, Roofe was s**t at it but start him and he scored goal (I think he had one assist from multiple appearances off the bench) Some players take a few minutes to get up to game speed and if you're playing 15-30 minutes that won't help)

He's on a level at least with Paddy in terms of quality but what 6/7 years younger? Still learning...
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