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Re: January 2022 transfer speculation and squad discussion

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weasel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:15 pm Bielsa had no choice to play Messlier - albeit he could have signed an experienced keeper when Kiko got banned. But even you then have said that because Messlier did okay Bielsa decided to stick with youth rather than recall experience - something you and others seem to suggest never happens. Although Messlier did well I don't think he did so well that Kiko couldn't have been brought back in as first choice - I seem to recall most fans suggesting that we needed a new first choice keeper that summer with Messlier then as back up. I seem to recall you being very angry we hadn't sign Emi Martinez from Arsenal.
Bielsa almost never chooses youth over experience, that isn't just my view he said as much himself in interviews fairly recently. If you wanted to you could find the quote somewhere, it was in one of my press conference.threads regarding.Gelhardt maybe or Cresswell, something like that.

As for why he stuck with Mes I imagine firstly because he did ok(not brilliant but ok) and secondly because its simply the easiest role in the team. It's a sweeper keeper, a common role in football and not at all unique to Bielsa, so it was easier to gain his faith.

I don't think Mes was brilliant but Casilla had made some high profile blunders which Meslier managed not to.

Was I entirely convinced? No and actually to this day I'd say Martinez is a better keeper but Meslier is the one and only.young player Bielsa has fully trusted in his time.here.
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weasel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:20 pm Special dispensation when it comes to keepers being illegible. Your research has been non-existent today. Plus we could have signed someone n January as we knew the court case was looming.
There was no guarantees he was going to banned. In fact, the club were very confident he'd get found not guilty!

Also Meslier was a first team signing, so we couldn't.
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SG90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:19 pm The biggest mistake you can make in the transfer market, is to overspend on players not good enough for top 6. Everton did and failed, Villa are doing it now, we did on Dan James. To think there out no players in world football who could improve us on a fraction of the price is incredibly dumb and short-sighted.

Remember when Radz went on his rant about Wolves and said he had loads of contacts? Well where are they then?
Radz also mentioned a number of interested buyers for the club (over 20 apparently). It's a worry when the best of the bunch are the 49ers.
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Lol Sky Sports News "round up" on Leeds was that we're not interested in selling, nothing about incomings. Kinnear's spin may work for some, but not me.
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Some old chestnuts re-emerging.

Ryan Kent
Lewis Obrein

Chelsea want Raph now seeing Liverpool have signed Diaz

I think the best we can hope for now and I don't think it would be a bad thing is a loaner coming in.
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SG90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:40 pm Lol Sky Sports News "round up" on Leeds was that we're not interested in selling, nothing about incomings. Kinnear's spin may work for some, but not me.
Do you think we are interested in selling anyone this window?
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William wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:41 pm Some old chestnuts re-emerging.

Ryan Kent
Lewis Obrein

Chelsea want Raph now seeing Liverpool have signed Diaz

I think the best we can hope for now and I don't think it would be a bad thing is a loaner coming in.
It suppose we had to be linked with Ryan Kent at some point. :lol:
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Cjay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:25 pm Bielsa almost never chooses youth over experience, that isn't just my view he said as much himself in interviews fairly recently. If you wanted to you could find the quote somewhere, it was in one of my press conference.threads regarding.Gelhardt maybe or Cresswell, something like that.

As for why he stuck with Mes I imagine firstly because he did ok(not brilliant but ok) and secondly because its simply the easiest role in the team. It's a sweeper keeper, a common role in football and not at all unique to Bielsa, so it was easier to gain his faith.

I don't think Mes was brilliant but Casilla had made some high profile blunders which Meslier managed not to.

Was I entirely convinced? No and actually to this day I'd say Martinez is a better keeper but Meslier is the one and only.young player Bielsa has fully trusted in his time.here.
WOOOOHOOOO - we have a minor admission! Seriously though I agree with a lot that you said - Messlier di okay but not brilliant, I definitely think he should have done better with the 2 Cardiff goals in his first match. As for him being a sweeper keeper Kiko was miles better with his feet (barring the Brentofrd mishap). I would say that Messlier has conceded as many 'soft' goals as Kiko did (i.e. goals where we think he should have done better) but because he is a lot younger and presumably isn't on the wages Kiko was then fans seem not to take it into consideration.

Again I think Martinez is a better keeper, certainly at present, despite a couple of soft goals that he has conceded of late.

Lastly I think you'll find you are wrong it is Chesney Hawkes. ;-)
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William wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:41 pm Do you think we are interested in selling anyone this window?
No.

My point was the narrative of this window will be about how we didn't sell anyone, when it was supposed to be about signing a midfielder and improving the squad!
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Sky are deluded if they truly believe Kalvin wants to join West Ham.
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So every club has made a signing except us and Norwich I believe?
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I am not suggesting that we are better off not signing anyone ( although at this late stage I doubt it would work well with us)
However don't forget that new signings do not always work well at other clubs as well.


There are no guarantees with anything in football, also Covid has made things so much harder for players to settle, especially oversees ones.


Plus look at Newcastle, they blow £12M on a Cb worth a quarter of that at best. How can we compete with that market?
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Sounds like all we are left with is hoping that every signing made by all of the other clubs are flops and then in relative terms we’ll look smart.
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Pablos Dream wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:25 pm Sounds like all we are left with is hoping that every signing made by all of the other clubs are flops and then in relative terms we’ll look smart.
We need eight points (10 max) in our final 17 games.

Seven points in our last seven games suggests we'll comfortably pass that target.

If we can't manage to acquire eight to ten points, we deserve to be relegated.
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SG90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:50 pm So every club has made a signing except us and Norwich I believe?
Arsenal haven't yet but apparently they very much intend on being active tomorrow

Chelsea haven't but they already have one of the top 2 best squads in the league.

Leicester haven't

Manure haven't

Norwich haven't

Spurs haven't but are close to 2

West Ham haven't but are apparently trying or maybe doing a Leeds

Of the teams around us it's just us an Norwich who have done literally nothing oh and Southampton
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Wait until Paddy comes back, the managements hype will be that he is our new signing, a la Forshaw.
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And our new CB, Cooper
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Remember this when Kinnear has the audacity to claim there's no value in January:
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SG90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:54 am Remember this when Kinnear has the audacity to claim there's no value in January:
Panic buys :lol:
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SG90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:54 am Remember this when Kinnear has the audacity to claim there's no value in January:
They may be good value but if Bielsa doesn't want them then there would be no point signing them.
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