Kalvin Phillips

[WhiteRose]

Probably not a popular post here;

KP has been a tremendous servant for Leeds, but I think if we get big money for him we should let him go now.

Seems like he has lost some of his extra yard of pace. It has probably to do with his injuries but he has been poor the last year, honestly. Gives away too many free kicks as he is often late in the tackles. His passing has also been poor at times. He will always be a Leeds boy but should cash in for the greater benefit.

I would tend to agree with you. Though I would never wish it on him, where ever he goes, I do wonder if he has already had his best years relatively early in his career. More than happy to keep him but 60 mill would go along way for us.

[WhiteRose]

If we get £50m+ then sell, he's not that good. Bielsa transformed a lot of our championship players but the spell he cast was disappearing. Before Bielsa Lewis Cook and Ronaldo-Vierra were considered to be better DM's. The problem is that we're relying upon Orta and Marsch to get the right replacement with less money. Orta has a success rate of 1/12 and Marsch only wants those players that previously bought him a nice christmas card.
Talk of Tyler Adams frightens me!

Better than 1/12, he is hit and miss and has brought in a lot of dross, mainly with gambles on youngsters but he has brought in to name a few, Bamford, llorente, janson, klich, alioski, saiz, struijk, raphinha, Harrison, meslier, Gelhardt, greenwood, Ben white(loan) + the new lads. We all like to have a go at him but need to give him credit sometimes.

[White Riot]

Same as Raphinha, can go to the highest bidder and I'm not bothered who that is as long as they pay top dollar

I'm more interested in players that want to commit themselves to Leeds United.

We need shot of a lot of dross too.

[1964white]

Same as Raphinha, can go to the highest bidder and I'm not bothered who that is as long as they pay top dollar

I'm more interested in players that want to commit themselves to Leeds United.

We need shot of a lot of dross too.

But it doesn't work like that, James

We'll lose our best players & end up retaining the dross, as other clubs won't be interested in our players with less ability.

[lufc1304]

£50m plus that lad Zincenko (?) would work for me. As others have said, Kalvin hasn't been the same player this season, a combo of injuries and playing in a struggling team, plus there is some doubt as to whether or not he will be effective in a Marsch system. That said, I'd rather he stayed, ambitious clubs build teams around players like him and Raph, but we all know money talks. I think he'd thrive at City with so many great players around him and he wouldn't be carrying the team, either.

As a side note, is anyone else concerned that Marsch's sole focus, player wise, is on those he knows or has worked with before? This concerns me, as none have Prem experience. I think Aaronson, Kristensen and Roca (if he signs) are reasonable punts for not a huge outlay, but we need experienced top league players if we are to avoid a repeat of last season. Too many untested first teamers and I think we are taking a huge risk.

[lufc1304]

As for the deadwood, cut our losses and get them off the books

[Mountain]

Murderous regimes from their owners I suspect.

Yep, if Phillips goes to Man City or Newcastle his primary role is to distract from the genocides and human rights abuses by the owners, and to repair their image. It's not because some guy in the UAE loved Man City, or even because he wants to make money, it's because rehabilitating the image of the UAE is worth billions to them.

[Overman]

Yep, if Phillips goes to Man City or Newcastle his primary role is to distract from the genocides and human rights abuses by the owners, and to repair their image. It's not because some guy in the UAE loved Man City, or even because he wants to make money, it's because rehabilitating the image of the UAE is worth billions to them.

Yep, and not to forget Radz infamous tour of Myanmar. There really isn't any integrity or ethics in the game, chasing the big bucks.

[weasel]

As a side note, is anyone else concerned that Marsch's sole focus, player wise, is on those he knows or has worked with before? This concerns me, as none have Prem experience. I think Aaronson, Kristensen and Roca (if he signs) are reasonable punts for not a huge outlay, but we need experienced top league players if we are to avoid a repeat of last season. Too many untested first teamers and I think we are taking a huge risk.

Although it could be said that in our first season back we probably only had Bamford (and the injured Forshaw) that had played in the Premier League previously - and Bamford's appearances were mainly as a sub and he'd not set the world alight. The only other players with top flight appearances (in other countries) were Koch, Llorente, Rodrigo and Raphinha. The first 3 were mainly injured so the only player with top league experience to play a full part was Raphinha.

Not arguing with you though as I do feel we need players that are good and hit the ground running rather than taking time to adapt/settle.

[Kennyb41]

£50m plus that lad Zincenko (?) would work for me. As others have said, Kalvin hasn't been the same player this season, a combo of injuries and playing in a struggling team, plus there is some doubt as to whether or not he will be effective in a Marsch system. That said, I'd rather he stayed, ambitious clubs build teams around players like him and Raph, but we all know money talks. I think he'd thrive at City with so many great players around him and he wouldn't be carrying the team, either.

As a side note, is anyone else concerned that Marsch's sole focus, player wise, is on those he knows or has worked with before? This concerns me, as none have Prem experience. I think Aaronson, Kristensen and Roca (if he signs) are reasonable punts for not a huge outlay, but we need experienced top league players if we are to avoid a repeat of last season. Too many untested first teamers and I think we are taking a huge risk.

I like the sound of this best, but wages innit.

[Chilli D]

£50m plus that lad Zincenko (?) would work for me. As others have said, Kalvin hasn't been the same player this season, a combo of injuries and playing in a struggling team, plus there is some doubt as to whether or not he will be effective in a Marsch system. That said, I'd rather he stayed, ambitious clubs build teams around players like him and Raph, but we all know money talks. I think he'd thrive at City with so many great players around him and he wouldn't be carrying the team, either.

As a side note, is anyone else concerned that Marsch's sole focus, player wise, is on those he knows or has worked with before? This concerns me, as none have Prem experience. I think Aaronson, Kristensen and Roca (if he signs) are reasonable punts for not a huge outlay, but we need experienced top league players if we are to avoid a repeat of last season. Too many untested first teamers and I think we are taking a huge risk.

Interesting that Zinchenko plays LWB for Man City but CM for Ukraine. Obviously versatile so would be an excellent signing for us but he won't be coming.

[1964white]

£50m plus that lad Zincenko (?) would work for me. As others have said, Kalvin hasn't been the same player this season, a combo of injuries and playing in a struggling team, plus there is some doubt as to whether or not he will be effective in a Marsch system. That said, I'd rather he stayed, ambitious clubs build teams around players like him and Raph, but we all know money talks. I think he'd thrive at City with so many great players around him and he wouldn't be carrying the team, either.

As a side note, is anyone else concerned that Marsch's sole focus, player wise, is on those he knows or has worked with before? This concerns me, as none have Prem experience. I think Aaronson, Kristensen and Roca (if he signs) are reasonable punts for not a huge outlay, but we need experienced top league players if we are to avoid a repeat of last season. Too many untested first teamers and I think we are taking a huge risk.

Zinchenko is by far a different class than we have now, can't see it happening though, Nick.

[1964white]

If Kalvin leaves our club, anyone given any thought how poor our win ratio is when he doesn't play?

[Kennyb41]

If Kalvin leaves our club, anyone given any thought how poor our win ratio is when he doesn't play?

Berts gone 64, all irrelevant now you can't compare correctly, he's a bob standard MF without Bert.

[weasel]

If Kalvin leaves our club, anyone given any thought how poor our win ratio is when he doesn't play?

The difference would be that with the funds we should be able to get someone closer ability/importance wise than we had to step in when KP was out previously. We should no longer have to push a defender into the role or Forshaw.

[eastyorkshirewhite]

Any player who is not happy let them go they are no use to us.Lets face it he will not get a regular place in the City as he is not good enough he will be a bit player.

[lufc1304]

Although it could be said that in our first season back we probably only had Bamford (and the injured Forshaw) that had played in the Premier League previously - and Bamford's appearances were mainly as a sub and he'd not set the world alight. The only other players with top flight appearances (in other countries) were Koch, Llorente, Rodrigo and Raphinha. The first 3 were mainly injured so the only player with top league experience to play a full part was Raphinha.

Not arguing with you though as I do feel we need players that are good and hit the ground running rather than taking time to adapt/settle.

All good points, weasel. I think the difference in the upcoming season is that it feels like a risk to have an untried manager managing a side with relatively little top league experience. That's not a dig at Marsch, but it would feel a little like the blind leading the blind. It could work, of course, but I think we all had our fingers burnt last season and we really cannot afford to start as badly. I'm the first to admit I've not much idea about other top flight squads of players but there has to be some who would improve us and are available.

[lufc1304]

Kenny, Chilli and Leon, point taken re Zinchenko but it's nice to dream!!

[Lufcste]

What's everyone's opinion on the whole 40-50million pound thing?.... is it good business all things considered or should it be more? I'm personally on the fence... I'm looking at Rice, if he's valued at 100mill than I don't get why Phillips is valued at half of that. Grealish (I know different type of player) but Villa stood their ground because he was a valuable asset to them. Should Radz be standing his ground too or?....

[Rover]

What's everyone's opinion on the whole 40-50million pound thing?.... is it good business all things considered or should it be more? I'm personally on the fence... I'm looking at Rice, if he's valued at 100mill than I don't get why Phillips is valued at half of that. Grealish (I know different type of player) but Villa stood their ground because he was a valuable asset to them. Should Radz be standing his ground too or?....

Got to remember this is all media speculation; the same media that said Raph would go for £35m. The club's plan was to sell the best assets at the best price and they seem to have stuck their heels in regarding Barca; so I don't see why they would let KP go on the cheap especially if PSG are competing for him.