I won’t mourn the departure of Kalvin Phillips

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I won’t mourn the departure of Kalvin Phillips

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Maybe it’s because I’m older and wiser, more jaded by modern football but I won’t mourn the departure of Kalvin Phillips like I did other players who moved on in the past.

The first to break my heart was another No 4. David Batty may have been diminutive in stature but he was a giant on the football pitch, the heart of the midfield that gained promotion from Division Two and lifted the Football League title in 1992. Just a year after that famous victory, Batty was on his way to Blackburn Rovers. It felt like a dagger in the heart, that beginning of the end for that great side. Local lad and lynchpin of that side on his way, lured across the Pennines by Jack Walker’s money and the promise of competing at the top. Perhaps it was a move that foreshadowed what was to come in modern football. Blackburn Rovers may not be the power they were but money speaks louder than ever in football.

The second really cut deep when just a few years later my hero, Gary Speed, left for Everton. Things hadn’t been great at Elland Road for a couple of seasons as Howard Wilkinson wrestled with the task of rebuilding the side. But Speed leaving was a real heartbreaker. He was young, good looking and bloody good at football, perhaps one of the most underrated players in Premier League history. What’s more is a move to Everton felt like a sideways step, there was no lure of big money or titles, it just all felt so pointless. Things would get better again for Leeds United a couple of years later, but Speeds departure felt like the real low point for me.





Moving on to more recent times when we had to witness the pointless tearing apart of Simon Grayson’s promotion winning team, epitomised by the departure of Jonny Howson to Norwich. A fan of the club, former season ticket holder and captain, his departure in January for a pittance was another low blow. It signified a lack of ambition, a sign that pushing on for promotion was not in Ken Bates’ plans. Norwich may have been in the Premier League, but it still felt like a sideways step. He should have gone on to greater things, he should have led Leeds United back to the top-flight.

In reality Kalvin Phillips leaves owing us nothing. He stayed help us back to the Premier League when he could have left for Aston Villa and he contributed to a fantastic first season back in the top-flight. After last season and our inability to push on it was inevitable he would leave, his international career almost demands he play at a higher level. For a team like Leeds United, finding our feet in the Premier League, aiming for mid-table at most there is an inevitability that our best players will be lured by the top teams. When City and their petro dollars come in for your players, just as they did with Grealish from Villa last summer, there is little you can do.

So, I won’t mourn Phillips departure. Not because I don’t love him, not because he didn’t contribute massively to our successes over the past few years and one of the best periods there has ever been to support our fantastic football club but because in this modern game his departure was almost inevitable. When the likes of PSG and City come calling there is nothing you can do! I thank him for everything he has done and wish him every success for the future, except for when we play City of course.
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YorkshireSquare wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:08 pm Maybe it was because I was younger and less jaded, but Gary Speed (my hero) and David Batty leaving cut far deeper. Even Howson to Norwich hurt more. Perhaps because they felt like sideways steps, Batty aside, but they were all moves that were hard to justify as a Leeds fan.

Phillips doesn’t hurt as much. Is that because I’m older? Or because there is a certain inevitability in modern football that the super-rich clubs will hoover up the best players and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it?
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My feeling is that Kalvin has always done his best for Leeds, he could easily have gone a number of times in the last 4 years but he stayed to help us get into the Prem then stay there, so him going to a Richer (not bigger) club was going to happen at some point but he's going for the right reasons to win trophies, play alongside World Class Players, be taught by one of the all time best managers and at the end to secure his financial future so from me it's with love and fondness, my best wishes to Kalvin and his family and you are welcome back here anytime
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I think after the shower of sh*t we served up last year, it's been inevitable for a while and was more of an expectancy than anything else and can't really blame him for wanting something better around him. If we were showing more ambition and he still wanted to leave then maybe I would be more upset...
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Yea, I agree, but also I didn't rate phillips that highly anyway.
Phillips isn't on t'same street as batty& Speed, even same street as Howson or Decourt.
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The one that hurt me the most was Woodgate going to Newcastle United.

Best of luck to Kalvin.
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I'm the same, Adam, I'm bothered as it currently weakens our squad, but if it allows us to bring in quality replacements, then so be it. And it is a fact with modern football that all bar the top 4/6 are feeder clubs for the wealthy. Good luck to the lad, deserves his shot at the big time. The reality is we can't offer him that any time soon.
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Rook wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:22 pm The one that hurt me the most was Woodgate going to Newcastle United.

Best of luck to Kalvin.
Jordan and McQueen going to scum worst one for me.

Batty, Speed and Woodgate not far behind.

Cantona to Scum for peanuts was a disgrace
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Ratscoot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:12 pm Hi YS

My feeling is that Kalvin has always done his best for Leeds, he could easily have gone a number of times in the last 4 years but he stayed to help us get into the Prem then stay there, so him going to a Richer (not bigger) club was going to happen at some point but he's going for the right reasons to win trophies, play alongside World Class Players, be taught by one of the all time best managers and at the end to secure his financial future so from me it's with love and fondness, my best wishes to Kalvin and his family and you are welcome back here anytime
That is an excellent post Rat. I couldn't have written it any better.....
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I remember Graeme Souness writing in his program notes that the day of the one man club was over. ( 1980s this was)
Players come, do a job and then move on. We have been conditioned that way for so long.

The only pang I have over KP was that he is homegrown and ALAW as you could get but I wish him well and as I said in another thread will boo him ( good naturedly of course) every time he touches the ball.


The only one that still irks me is Cantona...
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Cantona for me too, sold to that lot for peanuts and he was the catalyst for their period of dominance.
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mentalcase wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 12:14 pm Yea, I agree, but also I didn't rate phillips that highly anyway.
Phillips isn't on t'same street as batty& Speed, even same street as Howson or Decourt.
KP was very very fortunate to have MB coach him.
Dacourt, now your talking, I would have someone like him over Phillips anytime. A proper class player and what an engine he had.
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What bothers me about the Phillips sale is the big hole left behind in midfield for Roca to fill. Is he good enough to fill Kalvin's boots and can JM coach Roca to success in the English Premier League? Fingers crossed.
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lufc1304 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:46 pm Cantona for me too, sold to that lot for peanuts and he was the catalyst for their period of dominance.
He certainly was Nick. Sold for a measly million to that lot. Worst piece of business we ever did imo. They were in no mans land up until that point. My lovely 92 year old Mum an avid Leeds fan said at the time "silly bl**dy Wilko". I have to say she was right and I've never forgiven him for that ridiculous piece of mis-management
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Cantona was a dreadful deal all round for us, he was the final piece of their jigsaw
It was also about man-management, Wilko got it wrong with him, ferguson put his arm around him and let him express himself on the field, he was a bad apple before he came to Leeds remember, Wilko knew that, then failed to keep his undoubted potential.
A bit like bielsa, who also would'nt put his arm around certain players, instead dropping or flogging them.
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whiteswan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 3:12 pm That is an excellent post Rat. I couldn't have written it any better.....
Thanks Swan it's definitely from the heart known him since he was about 13 so pretty much seen him develop from there
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mentalcase wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 5:55 pm Cantona was a dreadful deal all round for us, he was the final piece of their jigsaw
It was also about man-management, Wilko got it wrong with him, ferguson put his arm around him and let him express himself on the field, he was a bad apple before he came to Leeds remember, Wilko knew that, then failed to keep his undoubted potential.
A bit like bielsa, who also would'nt put his arm around certain players, instead dropping or flogging them.
Yes, another manager/player fall out which should have been resolved amicably, that's what people management is all about.

We've had a few over the years.
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Exactly same as Swan, i've still not got over McQueen and Jordan, i fcking hate them for those two, i can still see myself on my paper round reading it on the back pages and wanting to kill the world, pure fcking hatred for tat.

Cantona hurts for how he went on to play for them and himself, obviously gifted and a Wilkinsons biggest mistake by far and probably why there's a part of me that doesn't like him.

There's nowt panic about KP leaving, 45m and we've got Roca, Brenden and Rasmus for the cash, there's a new Yankball system coming up which wouldn't suit KP anyway, and like someone said, Bert has gone and KP should be thankful that he brought the best out of him and found his perfect role, he's made him a fortune. I would sooner have the 3 above.
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In fairness, according to Dorigo, Wilkinson did not have a personal issue with Cantona, he just didn't like his workrate, his refusal to track back etc. And as a manager who had just won the league he was entitled to have that opinion. Plus there were plenty of players that Ferguson offloaded over the years who went on to do great things, Strachan, Stam, Ince, Pique, Van Nistelrooy, Forlan, and even Ronaldo. In some of those, the relationship between Ferguson and the players had broken down. He also, most famously, soured his relationship with the owners so much that they ended up selling the entire club to the Glazers. So I wouldn't agree with the assessment that Ferguson was much better at man management.
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Mountain wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:37 am In fairness, according to Dorigo, Wilkinson did not have a personal issue with Cantona, he just didn't like his workrate, his refusal to track back etc. And as a manager who had just won the league he was entitled to have that opinion. Plus there were plenty of players that Ferguson offloaded over the years who went on to do great things, Strachan, Stam, Ince, Pique, Van Nistelrooy, Forlan, and even Ronaldo. In some of those, the relationship between Ferguson and the players had broken down. He also, most famously, soured his relationship with the owners so much that they ended up selling the entire club to the Glazers. So I wouldn't agree with the assessment that Ferguson was much better at man management.
I was at the game in Stuggart when cantona had a strop and came off allowing them to score, yes, he was a very temperamental twat alright. Agree ferguson was also.
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Good post. Been upset by quite a few Leeds sales in the past. I can't really say much about the O'Leary clear out. That all came down to bad management and inevitability.. But I did have the picture of Smith and Robbo crying as my profile pic for a couple of years. Seeing that whole youth collective coming thorough then seeing it dismantled, really hurt.

Those 90's sales were worse because we were in a strong position. We'd won the league and were one of the best clubs in the country. Cantona was understandable given Wilko's style and their relationship. But Batty and Speed were completely unacceptable sales for me. We had no excuse to be selling them.

There's some nonsense in the subsequent comments of Phillips not being that good. Phillips has been brilliant. He had a rough injury season last year. But he's been central to everything we've achieved over the past 4 years. And he's established himself as one of England's best players, We haven't had a top England player in my life time. You can't buy what he gave us - not just the player but the commitment to the club and the connection with the fans.

But. This whole deal just speaks of the economics of football. Kalvin deserves to go play champions league. Hopefully we'll get there, but financially it will take time. The fact that we sold him and signed three for the same money makes more sense. We struggled last year - we were exposed as still too much of a championship squad with only about 4 or 5 top players. This will make us stronger, establish us as a premier league team, and (hopefully) propel us towards future success. We're one of the most attractive clubs in the country. If we can keep consolidating a return to the Top 6, where we were in the 2000's and the 1990's is possible.
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