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Brentford v Leeds United
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Premier League
03/09/2022
Brentford Community Stadium
Leeds United
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47
Played
15
Won
19
Drawn
13
Lost
+3
GD
32%
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Away record
23
Played
4
Won
9
Drawn
10
Lost
-15
GD
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DateGroundScoreCompetition
22/05/2022 Brentford Community Stadium 1–2 W Premier League ↗
05/12/2021 Elland Road 2–2 D Premier League ↗
11/02/2020 Griffin Park 1–1 D Championship ↗
21/08/2019 Elland Road 1–0 W Championship ↗
22/04/2019 Griffin Park 2–0 L Championship ↗
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1 John Charles 9
2 Gordon Hodgson 6
3 John McCole 4
4 Dominic Calvert-Lewin 2
5 George Brown 2
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Goa Meslier
Def Drameh
Def Koch ©
Def Llorente
Def Struijk
Mid Adams
Mid Roca
Mid Aaronson
Mid Harrison
For Gelhardt
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Byebyegeegee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 6:36 pm Sorry Paul if it wasn’t you, I’m sure it was one of our American based posters.

“No glossing over it how football cheated Leeds United” is a book published in 2011 which goes over some of the historical injustices suffered by this club at the hands of football’s officialdom. It’s written (not very well written in all honesty) by a Leeds fan called Gary Edwards but it may give you some idea of the sort of things we conspiracy theorists a have been concerned about over the years and may help you to understand why we are still paranoid and are so ready to declare prejudice to this day.
No worries my friend. Thanks for the information. 8-)
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I've been positive so far this season. But lots to whine about today.

I thought we played well against Everton. But that result could have been similar to today's. We dominated possession in both games but just make mistakes at the back and get hit on the break too easily.

Llorente had several mistakes and Koch was even a little ragged today. But also our system didn't help the defence. It was noticeable that Roca was playing much further upfield than he had previously this season. And that left us a lot more exposed on the counter.

The officiating was poor. But I don't think that changes the result. Brentford were the better team. We had the bulk of possession, but Brentford were just better than us.
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We were in it even at 3-1 , we were constantly troubling their defence. We got the 2nd and I was very confident we'd go on and get at least a point until we immediately gifted them their 4th. The scoreline makes it look like a complete rout but it was far from that. We looked good going forward and PB got a good 45 mins under his belt even though he missed a sitter my granny would've popped in. The midfield is looking solid but Roca needs to watch how far forward he's going so as not to leave the defence over exposed. The defence is the major concern as we look more than capable of imploding at any given time , Llorent in particular. Drameh played quite well as it goes but will be back up to Ayling/ Rasmus generally. Pascal is doing well at lb considering. Llorent has to make way he's just to error prone and gets bullied too easily. Forest is now a massive game , lose it and we're in free fall but if Bournemouth can beat them away after being 2 down I'm fkn dammed sure we can beat them at ER !

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1964white wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 6:37 pm Well that says it all, Swannie, just as bad in a room as on the pitch.
Apologies Leon and everyone, Darren England was VAR at the Everton v Liverpool game, not our game.
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faaip wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 6:38 pm It's an interesting one, Koch got the last touch but then it becomes on weather that touch is deliberate, you can be offside even if the defender touches it last but it needs to be an intentional touch, which I don't think it was. Koch I would imagine was trying to head the ball forward. So yes Mbuemo was offside technically
Was wondering at the time if Koch touched the ball.
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Has anyone heard yet how badly injured Gelhardt and SInistera are?
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1964white wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:39 pm Was wondering at the time if Koch touched the ball.
Koch did touch the ball last. The reason for the prolonged VAR review was to see if the Brentford player got a glancing header before Koch headed it
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BlackHillsPaul wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 6:16 pm I don't recall what I have said on the subject. Have I rejected the idea that there is an institutional bias against LUFC? I'll admit that I don't usually go in for conspiracy theories. Having said that, I have seen enough Premier League football to know that the big clubs DO get special treatment from Referees. How many times did we see Alex Ferguson drawn or down a goal at Old Trafford only to have the 4th official put up 8 minutes of stoppage time? So I am aware of those things.

I'll confess that I didn't know about any historical institutional bias against LUFC specifically. Other than the very harsh treatment the club received from the FA during its financial crisis. Perhaps I need to read the book. The proliferation of streaming services and platforms like YouTube have made it easier for supporters like me that live in in other countries to get information and follow the club. But that is a relatively recent development. With that in mind you might understand how I could be missing some context. It's one of the reasons I made the decision to join the MOT forum.
The FA has never had our back in Europe. But other English clubs have been defended. Reference 1975 ripping out a few seats in Paris getting banned. We come from a club harshly put down - Leeds City.

Its always been there we have been used as an "example" punishments galore. Points deductions, everything in the book.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:43 pm Koch did touch the ball last. The reason for the prolonged VAR review was to see if the Brentford player got a glancing header before Koch headed it
That's the way i read it AJ. The player wasn't offside when the ball was played forward...but what sort of header was that by Koch? If the Brentford player doesn't touch it.... then he should be heading it forward. Also it was his clumsy tackle that led to the free kick. They really were the chuckle brothers today in defence him and Llorente.
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BGwhite wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:33 pm We were in it even at 3-1 , we were constantly troubling their defence. We got the 2nd and I was very confident we'd go on and get at least a point until we immediately gifted them their 4th. The scoreline makes it look like a complete rout but it was far from that. We looked good going forward and PB got a good 45 mins under his belt even though he missed a sitter my granny would've popped in. The midfield is looking solid but Roca needs to watch how far forward he's going so as not to leave the defence over exposed. The defence is the major concern as we look more than capable of imploding at any given time , Llorent in particular. Drameh played quite well as it goes but will be back up to Ayling/ Rasmus generally. Pascal is doing well at lb considering. Llorent has to make way he's just to error prone and gets bullied too easily. Forest is now a massive game , lose it and we're in free fall but if Bournemouth can beat them away after being 2 down I'm fkn dammed sure we can beat them at ER !

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I thought it worked today BG. Obviously scored one, should have had another and tested the keeper from the edge of the box atleast once. What i have seen so far he's not one we should be relying on for pace.

In a parallel universe on another day the tackle by sini is deemed a good one, Toney's freekick doesn't hit the top corner, Mesliers sweeper clearance goes into row d, Koch does his job and heads the ball forwards.... but there is no place in the galaxy for Llorente's clusterf*ck.
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1964white wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 6:23 pm Agree with all that Byebye :tup:
It may seem counterintuitive to say that we were the better footballing team after a 5-2 defeat but I genuinely thought we played the better football. They were obviously far more clinical with their chances and our defence (especially Llorente of course) was poor but as faaip’s statistics show we edged the game in most aspects apart the most important one - goals.

Again I’m not overly despondent, which normally I would be after such a score line, because, given a level playing field from the officials (some hope!), playing generally as well as that but with a tighter defence, we should be ok this season.
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Byebyegeegee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:12 pm It may seem counterintuitive to say that we were the better footballing team after a 5-2 defeat but I genuinely thought we played the better football. They were obviously far more clinical with their chances and our defence (especially Llorente of course) was poor but as faaip’s statistics show we edged the game in most aspects apart the most important one - goals.

Again I’m not overly despondent, which normally I would be after such a score line, because, given a level playing field from the officials (some hope!), playing generally as well as that but with a tighter defence, we should be ok this season.
We need to bash Forest a week on Monday, then we'd all feel much happier :-D
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1964white wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:51 pm We need to bash Forest a week on Monday, then we'd all feel much happier :-D
Agreed Leon.

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Away on a long weekend break in Filey so didn't see the game, kept getting updates which indicated another bad day at the office but having read alot of your comments it seems we should have faired better. Oh well, on to Forest. I have always believed that without signing a striker and left back we would win a few and lose quite alot but hopefully gain enough points to survive....I think its going to be a close call :(
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faaip wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 6:38 pm It's an interesting one, Koch got the last touch but then it becomes on weather that touch is deliberate, you can be offside even if the defender touches it last but it needs to be an intentional touch, which I don't think it was. Koch I would imagine was trying to head the ball forward. So yes Mbuemo was offside technically
I haven't seen it again but when the ball was played from the Brentford half he wasn't offside and since Koch was the only one to touch it he still wasn't offside.
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Just watching highlights, we don't look bad but the defence is a bit of a joke. Probably quite a few goals to be shipped this season.
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weasel wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:39 pm Has anyone heard yet how badly injured Gelhardt and SInistera are?
I've heard that after loading up with oxygen they will be fit enough for another 60 minutes in the next game.
I suppose he could have left them out there to do Junior Firpo impersonations.
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Hard hat on....Gelhardt is not the answer to our striker vacancy.
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Byebyegeegee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:12 pm It may seem counterintuitive to say that we were the better footballing team after a 5-2 defeat but I genuinely thought we played the better football. They were obviously far more clinical with their chances and our defence (especially Llorente of course) was poor but as faaip’s statistics show we edged the game in most aspects apart the most important one - goals.

Again I’m not overly despondent, which normally I would be after such a score line, because, given a level playing field from the officials (some hope!), playing generally as well as that but with a tighter defence, we should be ok this season.
Now I’ve added my first half of actually watching to the 2nd half of MOTD I’d agree.
Some bizarre stuff in that game. Massively flattered by 5-2. Give it to Toney like we did and guess what he scores.
VAR is a terrible and not funny joke..
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Don’t really think Jesse was that bad. Not surprised he was pissed of with some of the rank bad decisions. Ref in the Forest v Bournemouth game had the balls not to be bullied by VAR. Absolutely convinced the ref today knows he got the pen decision wrong
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