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Re: Jesse Marsch- Faith restored?
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The media are calling Marsch out for his delusions.
The media are calling Marsch out for his delusions.
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Re: Jesse Marsch- Faith restored?
One of the main criticisms or concerns around Marsch for me (performances and results aside) is I'm not convinced he is a Football manager in anything but name.
No football manager has been truly unique for decades (even Bielsa). Every idea has been conceived by somebody before and its been that way for years.
What tends to happen is a manager has various influences and then throws in there own thoughts and makes a style.
Bielsa took ideas from Van Gaal and Carlos Bilardo and others and put them together and made his style with his own ideas
Pep took ideas from Bielsa and Cruyff and others and put his own ideas and made a style
Klopp took ideas from Rangnick, Sacchi and others and put his own ideas in and made a style etc
Marsch being a very clever man as he is seems to have read Ralf Rangnick's coaching manual and absorbed it (as an intelligent man like him can) and that's it
Thats what he has.
That isn't being a football manager, that's plagiarism.
What ideas of his own has he got? Where is his input?
I don't see a football manager, I see an academic
No football manager has been truly unique for decades (even Bielsa). Every idea has been conceived by somebody before and its been that way for years.
What tends to happen is a manager has various influences and then throws in there own thoughts and makes a style.
Bielsa took ideas from Van Gaal and Carlos Bilardo and others and put them together and made his style with his own ideas
Pep took ideas from Bielsa and Cruyff and others and put his own ideas and made a style
Klopp took ideas from Rangnick, Sacchi and others and put his own ideas in and made a style etc
Marsch being a very clever man as he is seems to have read Ralf Rangnick's coaching manual and absorbed it (as an intelligent man like him can) and that's it
Thats what he has.
That isn't being a football manager, that's plagiarism.
What ideas of his own has he got? Where is his input?
I don't see a football manager, I see an academic
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King Cjay
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Re: Jesse Marsch- Faith restored?
I think he's very close to reaching his peak with this Leeds team.
That's how good he is.
That's how good he is.
Not dependent on Google, the www or 'stats' - Just a guy that puts his eyes to full use on the beautiful game
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Re: Jesse Marsch- Faith restored?
It’s very rare for anyone to be truly unique in life let alone sport. To be the first. Impossible in football.Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:00 pm One of the main criticisms or concerns around Marsch for me (performances and results aside) is I'm not convinced he is a Football manager in anything but name.
No football manager has been truly unique for decades (even Bielsa). Every idea has been conceived by somebody before and its been that way for years.
What tends to happen is a manager has various influences and then throws in there own thoughts and makes a style.
Bielsa took ideas from Van Gaal and Carlos Bilardo and others and put them together and made his style with his own ideas
Pep took ideas from Bielsa and Cruyff and others and put his own ideas and made a style
Klopp took ideas from Rangnick, Sacchi and others and put his own ideas in and made a style etc
Marsch being a very clever man as he is seems to have read Ralf Rangnick's coaching manual and absorbed it (as an intelligent man like him can) and that's it
Thats what he has.
That isn't being a football manager, that's plagiarism.
What ideas of his own has he got? Where is his input?
I don't see a football manager, I see an academic
I think the trouble is Marsch believes he is the business. And that makes him far more dangerous
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Pep is no footballing genius. But he is an OUTSTANDING man manager. Particularly with top players. The spoiled brats and egomaniacs that populate top football clubs. That is his gift. Virtually everything in his tactical handbook was developed by someone else. Which is not to slight him. But just to accentuate Cjays point that tactical football innovation is the domain of very few. We happened to have one of them at Leeds for almost 4 seasons.
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Re: Jesse Marsch- Faith restored?
I don't even see this supposed intelligence... there should be a modicum of self-awareness and critical thinking, surely? And he ability to communicate ideas without resorting to swooning, fisting, pumping, felching etc.Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:00 pm One of the main criticisms or concerns around Marsch for me (performances and results aside) is I'm not convinced he is a Football manager in anything but name.
No football manager has been truly unique for decades (even Bielsa). Every idea has been conceived by somebody before and its been that way for years.
What tends to happen is a manager has various influences and then throws in there own thoughts and makes a style.
Bielsa took ideas from Van Gaal and Carlos Bilardo and others and put them together and made his style with his own ideas
Pep took ideas from Bielsa and Cruyff and others and put his own ideas and made a style
Klopp took ideas from Rangnick, Sacchi and others and put his own ideas in and made a style etc
Marsch being a very clever man as he is seems to have read Ralf Rangnick's coaching manual and absorbed it (as an intelligent man like him can) and that's it
Thats what he has.
That isn't being a football manager, that's plagiarism.
What ideas of his own has he got? Where is his input?
I don't see a football manager, I see an academic
Re: Jesse Marsch- Faith restored?
Very educated man, graduated from one of the top Universities in the World.
He is certainly a step above almost everyone in football in that respect.
So did Lampard (not the same level) but in Football terms he is also far more educated than the norm.
Interesting that they share similar traits.
Arrogance, inability to accept fault, tendency to blame others.
Maybe it comes from feeling as if you are better than everyone else
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I’m concerned now. I know what fisting is as Weasel explained it to me but felching. I just looked that up.
Swiss Tony would not be impressed
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Re: Jesse Marsch- Faith restored?
I don't think normal education and understanding football are particularly related in terms of being clever would make you a better football manager and understand tactics more.Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:48 pm Very educated man, graduated from one of the top Universities in the World.
He is certainly a step above almost everyone in football in that respect.
So did Lampard (not the same level) but in Football terms he is also far more educated than the norm.
Interesting that they share similar traits.
Arrogance, inability to accept fault, tendency to blame others.
Maybe it comes from feeling as if you are better than everyone else
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Yeah you don't want to go diving in there half cocked.
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Well, the Red Bull... organization? suprastructure? I don't even know what to call it... has a reputation for being somewhat dogmatic. As you alluded to, everyone is taking ideas from somewhere so that alone isn't a problem.Cjay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:00 pm One of the main criticisms or concerns around Marsch for me (performances and results aside) is I'm not convinced he is a Football manager in anything but name.
No football manager has been truly unique for decades (even Bielsa). Every idea has been conceived by somebody before and its been that way for years.
What tends to happen is a manager has various influences and then throws in there own thoughts and makes a style.
Bielsa took ideas from Van Gaal and Carlos Bilardo and others and put them together and made his style with his own ideas
Pep took ideas from Bielsa and Cruyff and others and put his own ideas and made a style
Klopp took ideas from Rangnick, Sacchi and others and put his own ideas in and made a style etc
Marsch being a very clever man as he is seems to have read Ralf Rangnick's coaching manual and absorbed it (as an intelligent man like him can) and that's it
Thats what he has.
That isn't being a football manager, that's plagiarism.
What ideas of his own has he got? Where is his input?
I don't see a football manager, I see an academic
As for creativity -- a major problem he had in Leipzig was that he came in fresh off the assembly line as the next guy who'd crushed opponents' souls at Salzburg. And he was ready to win "the Red Bull way," but the players were like, "Nagelsmann was doing things the Red Bull way but better, and you're going backwards."
I don't know if the players were fair to think that or not. Leeds' players seem rather more amenable to the approach, but they weren't getting "Red Bull 2.0" from the prior coach, and Leipzig's were.
No one worth listening to thinks JM is unintelligent, but sometimes intelligent people can be stubborn and prevent their own learning, as you allude to.
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I had a strange experience on the only time I went to Cambridge. I ended up getting punted down the Cam by an uppity oik. We ended up crashing into a boat with some rather nice chaps in who apologised profusely as apparently they had useless c**ks. I'll be b*ggered if I go back there again.
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Couldn’t agree more. I go there occasionally and always keep my back to the wall if you’ll excuse the pun.weasel wrote: ↑Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:07 pm I had a strange experience on the only time I went to Cambridge. I ended up getting punted down the Cam by an uppity oik. We ended up crashing into a boat with some rather nice chaps in who apologised profusely as apparently they had useless c**ks. I'll be b*ggered if I go back there again.
Just a footnote did you know that is the 3rd most common reason for divorce in the U.K. Useless c**k I mean