Loan Watch

[andrewjohnsmith]

LIkewise if we go up then I'm happy to support any player Farke wants to keep.

The big difference though, for the likes of Wober, is that we wouldn't be in the same situation as in being desperate to keep players as we couldn't get better than them in the championship.Farke may have seen Wober as someone he wanted to keep as he thought he couldn't get better to come to us in the championship but if we are in the prem we have far greater pulling power and should be able to attract better players than Wober or others who left on loan.

Hopefully we can get some decent money in for them and Farke will be able to re-invest it and bring in better.

My concern is not over whether we can sign better players than Wober, Harriso, Aaronson, etc. Rather the number of players we'll need to sign.

Figure that we've been unable to fill a bench several times this season with our current squad. Last game, we did manage to fill the bench, plus Strujik, Shackleton, Gelhardt injured.

From that we will lose Rodon (hopefully to resign), Roberts, and Anthony to loans

Byram, Cooper, Shackleton, Dallas to contract ends - arguably you'd only resign Shackleton and only as a back up

Klaesson and Firpo will be in last year of contract. You might run down Klaesson's contract. But a financial decision would need to be made on Firpo

Gelhardt, Shackleton, Cresswell have been considered below our needs this season. Not sure what role they could play in the PL

Looking at the end of the season, you only have Strujik, Cresswell and Firpo (1 year on contract) as specialist defenders. Plus Ampadu, but pretty sure he'll be needed in midfield.

BY my reckoning we need 10 to 12 first team players. You'd hope Rodon would be the start of that. Shackleton gets a new contract. But with so many needs, it would make sense to consider people like Harrison, Wober, and Aaronson as part of that number.

[Jammy 07]

My concern is not over whether we can sign better players than Wober, Harriso, Aaronson, etc. Rather the number of players we'll need to sign.

Figure that we've been unable to fill a bench several times this season with our current squad. Last game, we did manage to fill the bench, plus Strujik, Shackleton, Gelhardt injured.

From that we will lose Rodon (hopefully to resign), Roberts, and Anthony to loans

Byram, Cooper, Shackleton, Dallas to contract ends - arguably you'd only resign Shackleton and only as a back up

Klaesson and Firpo will be in last year of contract. You might run down Klaesson's contract. But a financial decision would need to be made on Firpo

Gelhardt, Shackleton, Cresswell have been considered below our needs this season. Not sure what role they could play in the PL

Looking at the end of the season, you only have Strujik, Cresswell and Firpo (1 year on contract) as specialist defenders. Plus Ampadu, but pretty sure he'll be needed in midfield.

BY my reckoning we need 10 to 12 first team players. You'd hope Rodon would be the start of that. Shackleton gets a new contract. But with so many needs, it would make sense to consider people like Harrison, Wober, and Aaronson as part of that number.

That seems a well thought out and balanced view on the situation we may find ourselves in.

[Kennyb41]

LIkewise if we go up then I'm happy to support any player Farke wants to keep.

The big difference though, for the likes of Wober, is that we wouldn't be in the same situation as in being desperate to keep players as we couldn't get better than them in the championship.Farke may have seen Wober as someone he wanted to keep as he thought he couldn't get better to come to us in the championship but if we are in the prem we have far greater pulling power and should be able to attract better players than Wober or others who left on loan.

Hopefully we can get some decent money in for them and Farke will be able to re-invest it and bring in better.

Yeah, which is gonna make it an interesting watch on Wober alone.

Did he go with DF's blessing, or s**t up his back lying and pull a fast one on him, and has he now burnt his bridges with him.

Either way with these lot, i feel the club are gonna have to make some sort of statement to let fans know where they stand.

Did the club push them to go because of wages, had they really no option and were told it's best all round that they go on loan even if they wanted to stay, which i very much doubt if they can get more coin elsewhere, tricky.

[Kennyb41]

Llorente on the bench for Roma tonight, Rasmus nowhere to be seen.

[DDB220]

On the topic of Harrison - on his day he can be quality. But he can equally be distinctly mediocre. He lacks the one quality that distinguishes the wheat from the chaff - Consistency.

The one consistency he does have is first touch which is probably WC. It is what he does afterwards that tends to be the problem on most days.

Sinisterra is the same. This is why you often see them regularly substituted.

The one thing DF recognises in a player is consistency - This why he has his stalwarts because they turn up on the majority of days and play at a high level. Gray - Amps - Rodon lead the way for me in this.
We have other players who are also at a high level more often than not.

[Kennyb41]

Adams played the last 30mins of Bournemouths 4-3 comeback tother neet

[weasel]

Adams played the last 30mins of Bournemouths 4-3 comeback tother neet

Would have Ampadu or Gruev instead of him any day of the week (which is handy given how few matches we play on Saturdays).

[Jammy 07]

Would have Ampadu or Gruev instead of him any day of the week (which is handy given how few matches we play on Saturdays).

From what most of us understand the 49ers made great efforts to persuade Tyler Adams to stay and the plan was to have Adams, Ampedu and Archie Gray in the midfield.

Now with the the benefit of hindsight thank god he jumped ship and gave us £20M to play with in the transfer market but had Adams stayed and been fit there's little doubt he would have absolutely smashed it in the Championship.

[andrewjohnsmith]

Would have Ampadu or Gruev instead of him any day of the week (which is handy given how few matches we play on Saturdays).

I think Ampadu and Adams are very similar as midfielders. Although Ampadu has shown himself to be a top defender too. Pretty sure Adams would have been a very good defensive midfielder this season.

But Angus Kinnear mentioned him in the early season interview as one of the players that caused a problem and that his departure was fairly acrimonious. At least we made a profit off of him. And it was a decent fee that we were able to use sensibly this season. I think Adams is a better player than Gruev or Kamara. Similar to Ampadu - but given his versatility, I'd rather have Ampadu.

According to transfermarkt we got 27m euros for Adams. Ampadu, Kamara, and Gruev only cost us 21m euros. I'd say that's an awesome piece of business.

[Kennyb41]

Would have Ampadu or Gruev instead of him any day of the week (which is handy given how few matches we play on Saturdays).

I thought he'd be ok in the Championship to help get us back up. But he's no different to Kamara (5m) He's not as good as Ampadu (5m)
And Gruev shows more promise (4m) and the clown paid 24m did he ? On what research and scouting of him ? Panini stickers ?

£14m huh for the above 3.

I rest my case m'lud.

[Kennyb41]

From what most of us understand the 49ers made great efforts to persuade Tyler Adams to stay and the plan was to have Adams, Ampedu and Archie Gray in the midfield.

Now with the the benefit of hindsight thank god he jumped ship and gave us £20M to play with in the transfer market but had Adams stayed and been fit there's little doubt he would have absolutely smashed it in the Championship.

'Most' of us Faaip ? Most ? Great efforts ? - Can you show me references to that please.

And you categorically state that the 'plan' was a 3 man midfield? Something we've seen nothing of the sort all season, and it's not owners that choose the team btw, it happens to be a manager.

Now Faaip, don't you go creating multiple alias and get them all complaining against me again, like you did elsewhere, tut tut

We don't get along, just live with it.

I know the fact i'm continually right frustrates the holy fck out of you, but you generally dig your own grave by not being honest in matters, as is often seen - It comes back to bite you on your arse.

Must dash.

[hector]

'Most' of us Faaip ? Most ? Great efforts ? - Can you show me references to that please.

And you categorically state that the 'plan' was a 3 man midfield? Something we've seen nothing of the sort all season, and it's not owners that choose the team btw, it happens to be a manager.

Now Faaip, don't you go creating multiple alias and get them all complaining against me again, like you did elsewhere, tut tut

We don't get along, just live with it.

I know the fact i'm continually right frustrates the holy fck out of you, but you generally dig your own grave by not being honest in matters, as is often seen - It comes back to bite you on your arse.

Must dash.

Sorry old fruit.... you are targetting the wrong person in this instance.... It's Jammy whom you quoted

So in this instance it seems that it's your glutus maximus that has been self bitten

[Boo Radley]

Hope Poveda works his magic in midfield for the Wendies today. Could be his most significant contribution to Leeds to date if they were to steal a point or three.

[weasel]

I think Ampadu and Adams are very similar as midfielders. Although Ampadu has shown himself to be a top defender too. Pretty sure Adams would have been a very good defensive midfielder this season.

But Angus Kinnear mentioned him in the early season interview as one of the players that caused a problem and that his departure was fairly acrimonious. At least we made a profit off of him. And it was a decent fee that we were able to use sensibly this season. I think Adams is a better player than Gruev or Kamara. Similar to Ampadu - but given his versatility, I'd rather have Ampadu.

According to transfermarkt we got 27m euros for Adams. Ampadu, Kamara, and Gruev only cost us 21m euros. I'd say that's an awesome piece of business.

I don't think Adams and Ampadu are at all alike, unless Adams plays differently, under a different manager, to how he did last season for us. For me Adams's big strength was his 'engine' he ran around chasing all day - but was that down to Marsch's ridiculous formation and tactics or is that Adams's normal game. Ampadu for me is a reader of the game, he gets into good positions early and as such you rarely see him having to run around after players. Ampadu is more like Kalvin Phillips in that he its deep, reads the play and offers the shield in front of the central defence and dictates play from deep (albeit now he is a defender but has a very simlar role still especially in possession). Adams for me is more like Kamara, covers a lot of ground, snapping at the opposition, winning tackles, running with the ball but little end product. I could see Adams and Ampadu playing well together but wouldn't want Adams in the Ampadu role.

For me though I'd rather have Kamara and the £15m+ (to spend elsewhere) than Adams.

The player I am most interested to see what Farke does with is Aaronsen. Aaronsen dfeinitely have the tools (no doubt his football manager style stats were what impressed Orta rather than what Aaronsen could actually dowith his ability) and I do think a good manager might be able to make him into a player. We'd get very little if we sold him, and may end up worse FFP (or whatever it is now called) if we did sell him as likely we wouldn't even get a quarter of what we paid for him. As such we are likely to either have to loan him out or try to make something out of him.

[Jaydog]

Sorry old fruit.... you are targetting the wrong person in this instance.... It's Jammy whom you quoted

So in this instance it seems that it's your glutus maximus that has been self bitten

That’s a man’s dream. Being able to bite your own arse.

[DDB220]

That’s a man’s dream. Being able to bite your own arse.

I think it might be just a personal one for you mate.

[DDB220]

I don’t think we truly got to see the best of Adams. He had either Roca or McKennie alongside him. One thing is for certain when he got injured last season we missed him big time.
He would have smashed it at this level for me, but it was good business sense selling him when we did considering his injury issues this season.

[1964white]

I don’t think we truly got to see the best of Adams. He had either Roca or McKennie alongside him. One thing is for certain when he got injured last season we missed him big time.
He would have smashed it at this level for me, but it was good business sense selling him when we did considering his injury issues this season.

Adams & Rodrigo.

[1964white]

'Most' of us Faaip ? Most ? Great efforts ? - Can you show me references to that please.

And you categorically state that the 'plan' was a 3 man midfield? Something we've seen nothing of the sort all season, and it's not owners that choose the team btw, it happens to be a manager.

Now Faaip, don't you go creating multiple alias and get them all complaining against me again, like you did elsewhere, tut tut

We don't get along, just live with it.

I know the fact i'm continually right frustrates the holy fck out of you, but you generally dig your own grave by not being honest in matters, as is often seen - It comes back to bite you on your arse.

Must dash.

Jammy isn't Faaip or vice versa, Kenny boy.

[Kennyb41]

Jammy isn't Faaip or vice versa, Kenny boy.

Ahh, so you've met both in real life Sid yes.

That's that sorted then.