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White Riot wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 4:40 pm I'd only keep Tyler Adams, but no chance he'll be staying.
Some talk he isn't the professional behind the scenes people think.

Like tends to attract like and he is best mates with McKennie.

Aaronson on the other hand is apparently the epitome of professional.

I'd rather see the back of McKennie and Adams.
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My personal highlight today, the pitch invader.

Obviously, it’s not good and I’m not condoning it, but the crowd responding with a chant of “He’s shown more fight than you” did make me smile.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 6:05 pm I applauded him for what he did at the club. Brought us stability after so many awful years.

This week. These last months. I've lost every bit of respect for him. What a coward.
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Madron wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 6:03 pm Leicester did nothing of the kind against Newcastle. They needed a win ,got 10 defending in their own penalty box and had one shot on target (in injury time) .By a miracle they got a draw They were putting all their hope in Everton not winning today. For that they deserve to go down.
Leicester needed a win today today to give themselves any chance of staying up (also relying on Everton to lose, of course) and they duly beat Wet Spam 2-1. As it is Everton won, so Leicester go down anyway, but at least they showed a bit of fight and didn’t bottle it miserably and gutlessly like our shower did.

If you finish in the bottom 3 of the league in a season of 38 games then you probably deserve to go down, but to show no fight all like we have done is truly damning.
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Barlow Boy wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:02 pm My personal highlight today, the pitch invader.

Obviously, it’s not good and I’m not condoning it, but the crowd responding with a chant of “He’s shown more fight than you” did make me smile.
I've never witnessed our fans as toxic towards the players as they were today.
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1964white wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:20 pm I've never witnessed our fans as toxic towards the players as they were today.
In all for fans showing their displeasure, but singing “you fat ba***rd” at Mckennie was a step too far for me to be honest.
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Cjay wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:00 pm Some talk he isn't the professional behind the scenes people think.

Like tends to attract like and he is best mates with McKennie.

Aaronson on the other hand is apparently the epitome of professional.

I'd rather see the back of McKennie and Adams.
I wouldn't keep Adams. He wont be able to take the rigours of The Championship - 2 games a week on an ongoing basis - no way. He's a bit of a princess to be honest. Ironically it would be the best thing for him - same as Rutter and Gnonto.

But if you don't want to be here because you think you're too good for the Championship - then f*** off.
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Barlow Boy wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 7:53 pm Just back home from the game, and I feel nothing. I don’t feel dissapointed we are going down, I’m not upset, angry or anything. It might hit me in a few days, but at the mom ent, just nothing.

I’m not in the least bit surprised by what I saw today. A bunch of gutless, bottleless limited players who don’t look as if they particularly care either way.

If I was in charge, I’d throw everything at Adams and beg him to stay and build a team around him. I doubt he will, but he could make the difference.
Can you tell us what the fans were singing after the game'

Mics were in the Spurs end so I could only here "One Lucas Moura"
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1964white wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:20 pm I've never witnessed our fans as toxic towards the players as they were today.
What were the general chants from the fans at the end?

Anything towards the absent owner?
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Barlow Boy wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:28 pm In all for fans showing their displeasure, but singing “you fat ba***rd” at Mckennie was a step too far for me to be honest.
Surprised McKennie did the lap tbh. Noticed he was hiding behind Ayling. I think he could have just disappeared into the dressing room and nobody would have knocked him for it.
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Barlow Boy wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:28 pm In all for fans showing their displeasure, but singing “you fat ba***rd” at Mckennie was a step too far for me to be honest.
I wouldn’t waste too much sympathy on our overpaid, underperforming, mercenary footballers if I were you Barlow. I’m sure they won’t be wasting too much time worrying about our team’s wretched plight or we disillusioned and dispirited fans. Indeed a lot of them will be moving on in the Summer and earning their £50000+/week at some other, any other club.
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:39 pm Can you tell us what the fans were singing after the game'

Mics were in the Spurs end so I could only here "One Lucas Moura"
Some chants of “sack the board”, “You’re not fit to wear the shirt”, “Get out of our club” (aimed at Radz).

Was kicking off in the South Stand, looked to be a few arrests.
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Cjay wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 7:50 pm His treatment of Gnonto, Summerville and Rutter for me show what a dinosaur he is.

Pick the oldest tallest players you can and hope for the best.
Right. So first thing we now need (if we had owners who cared) is to find a manager who can cut through the BS of the past season, unravel the systems of 5 managers in a year and get back to basics.

For this reason, I actually don't blame most of the players - they had to go from Bielsa to Marsh to Skubs to Gracia to Sam at warp speed, and try to apply it all on the pitch under pressure. FFS - nobody can do that. That speaks to having ownership who barely know the ball is round.

So - if we could, I'd keep some of the old guard (they won't cost much) - Ayling, Cooper, Forshaw, and have some Bielsa DNA - then I'd try to keep the grafters - Kristensen, Harrison, Wober, Koch, and then try to keep the youngsters who are worth it - Gnonto, Rutter, Summerville, Sinisterra. Fill that in with a few seasoned signings, and backfill from the U 21's.

Show the door to McKennie, Aaronson, Adams, Firpo, Llorente, Styuik, Meslier.
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As predicted, the first 'club statement has just shown up. :sick:
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Barlow Boy wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:28 pm In all for fans showing their displeasure, but singing “you fat ba***rd” at Mckennie was a step too far for me to be honest.
I knew our fans would turn today.

Marcelo Bielsa song often sung vehemently, to make a point.

Singing the songs of several former players.

Cheering Tottenham's passes & booing when Leeds won the ball back.

"You're not fit to wear the shirt"

"You're :poo: & you know you are"

"Leeds are falling apart again"

"Sack the board"

'Get out of our club"

And then the McKennie chant.

Aaronson booed when he came on off the bench
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andrewjohnsmith wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:44 pm Surprised McKennie did the lap tbh. Noticed he was hiding behind Ayling. I think he could have just disappeared into the dressing room and nobody would have knocked him for it.
Don't know, Andrew. :duno:

I wasn't hanging around for the lap of honour, I was out of the stadium as soon as the final whistle was blown.
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Barlow Boy wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:02 pm My personal highlight today, the pitch invader.

Obviously, it’s not good and I’m not condoning it, but the crowd responding with a chant of “He’s shown more fight than you” did make me smile.
Oh, & that one too.
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The relegation trajectory has been there for most of the year and through criminal stupidity the board oversaw all the moves that would see it through to that cowardly defeat today.

By the end we were easily the worst team in the league, and by some distance. We need a total clear out at ownership, board and squad level to prepare for the rigours of the Championship. If this isn't done quickly we'll be set up to fail again.

The Championship next year will be extremely competitive. Leicester and Southampton have every reason to expect to bounce back up. Boro, Coventry, WBA, Millwall and even Ipswich will fancy a run at promotion. If we don't replace the bulk of shite players we have and build a new squad with a proper pre season we will struggle.

What a waste of a wonderful opportunity to push on and build something of consequence. All lost through hubris and ignorance. But the only ones that really care and will suffer are the fans and the day to day employees. It's sickening.
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Barlow Boy wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:02 pm My personal highlight today, the pitch invader.

Obviously, it’s not good and I’m not condoning it, but the crowd responding with a chant of “He’s shown more fight than you” did make me smile.
I looked out for you prior to the match, mate

Had a chat with Heidi & three blokes who used to stand behind me in my old seat. Also, a couple of fans from the Griffin branch who I often travelled with to away matches.
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Boo Radley wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:18 pm The relegation trajectory has been there for most of the year and through criminal stupidity the board oversaw all the moves that would see it through to that cowardly defeat today.

By the end we were easily the worst team in the league, and by some distance. We need a total clear out at ownership, board and squad level to prepare for the rigours of the Championship. If this isn't done quickly we'll be set up to fail again.

The Championship next year will be extremely competitive. Leicester and Southampton have every reason to expect to bounce back up. Boro, Coventry, WBA, Millwall and even Ipswich will fancy a run at promotion. If we don't replace the bulk of shite players we have and build a new squad with a proper pre season we will struggle.

What a waste of a wonderful opportunity to push on and build something of consequence. All lost through hubris and ignorance. But the only ones that really care and will suffer are the fans and the day to day employees. It's sickening.
Can't disagree with any of that, Boo, such a shame it has come to this conclusion.
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