It's this bit that worries me.
As someone said on another forum far away, 'we're a football club, mate, f**k off'.
Corporatism will ruin everything soon enough.
It's this bit that worries me.
True.
Thanks for posting this video - very interesting.
I'm afraid we can't get away from that. Football clubs are big business and football is a global business. Football clubs are run like businesses (as distasteful as that sounds) in order to be able to pay the massive wages players demand. That's where the problem really lies. Average footballers making more money in a year than a brain surgeon or an airline pilot is - to me - bloody ridiculous. But its not going to change.
It's chicken and egg.malcolmw wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:25 pm I'm afraid we can't get away from that. Football clubs are big business and football is a global business. Football clubs are run like businesses (as distasteful as that sounds) in order to be able to pay the massive wages players demand. That's where the problem really lies. Average footballers making more money in a year than a brain surgeon or an airline pilot is - to me - bloody ridiculous. But its not going to change.
So we need business brains equal to or better than our competition if we are to beat them on the field.
I'm amazed it's gone on as long as it has, thought it would've crashed years ago, folk are fickle, but its the corporate lot thats sustaining it not the working classes anymore.
Definitely, but that ultimately depends on markets that have been on borrowed time for fifteen years now.mentalcase wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:12 pm I'm amazed it's gone on as long as it has, thought it would've crashed years ago, folk are fickle, but its the corporate lot thats sustaining it not the working classes anymore.
I don’t disagree and although they aren’t entirely without blame for the past 2 years capitulation, they didn’t have the final say, they’ve seen first hand the consequences of boardroom failure and how the atmosphere around the club can become quite unpleasant and hopefully have learnt from radz mistakes.malcolmw wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:41 am Well they first need to learn what 'football' really is.
There's an old saying in leadership training - 'You change people by what you do, not what you say'.
I'm glad its all final, we can draw a line and move on. But I will remain 'vigilant' until I see what this lot actually do in the coming 3 months.
I want to see leadership for good of club and community, not just financial margins and dividends for the 'suits'.
I agree with these sentiments, but being pragmatic, I think its perhaps more sustainable than we think. As long as there is seemingly unlimited Saudi money to fund their sportswashing, and global venture capital money seeking a place to invest, football budgets will continue to grow and grow.mentalcase wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 8:12 pm I'm amazed it's gone on as long as it has, thought it would've crashed years ago, folk are fickle, but its the corporate lot thats sustaining it not the working classes anymore.
I understand your sentiment Sara. But Leeds have been a global "Brand" since at least the 1970's. How else would an American kid like me with ZERO English Football on TV even be aware of Leeds United? Again, I see your point, but I think it's a distinction without a difference. The idea of "Club" really only matters to the locals. To everyone else in the world it's a "Team". And teams are brands.
Do you think Bert should've been sacked ?Suffolkwhite Luke wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:03 pm Glad it’s finally signed off. You would hope that our new owners would have been speaking to clubs and players whilst the I’s were getting dotted and T’s crossed and it’s merely a case of getting things formalised and signed off. However this is Leeds United and nothing ever seems to be simple for us.
Art toreet pal, welcome
Is that your stock question to all newbies Kenny to decide if they’re worthy of your time
I think there is a world of difference between 70s style fame and notoriety, and a modern, deliberately manufactured, marketing image.BlackHillsPaul wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:38 am I understand your sentiment Sara. But Leeds have been a global "Brand" since at least the 1970's. How else would an American kid like me with ZERO English Football on TV even be aware of Leeds United? Again, I see your point, but I think it's a distinction without a difference. The idea of "Club" really only matters to the locals. To everyone else in the world it's a "Team". And teams are brands.