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Re: The #LUFC Breakfast Debate (Thursday 25th June) Why Harry Wilson Signing Signals New Era for Leeds United

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Irish Ian wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 8:27 pm More disinformation based on what you think other people would do
Wait so you think Marathe handed millions of his investors money over to a man he barely knew and just hoped for the best?

Player sales are assets and value of the club he invested in remember, a VC fund would want to ne heavily involved in that.

Anything that impacted the assets finances would be something they'd want to know.

Wouldn't you expect that if they were looking after your money?

The idea they sat meekly by makes no sense, and I know what Marathe has said he's a corporate guy same as Kinnear, they say what's best for the narrative at the time.

It's logic and a bit of thought not disinformation.
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Cjay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 8:49 pm Wait so you think Marathe handed millions of his investors money over to a man he barely knew and just hoped for the best?

Player sales are assets and value of the club he invested in remember, a VC fund would want to ne heavily involved in that.

Anything that impacted the assets finances would be something they'd want to know.

Wouldn't you expect that if they were looking after your money?

The idea they sat meekly by makes no sense, and I know what Marathe has said he's a corporate guy same as Kinnear, they say what's best for the narrative at the time.

It's logic and a bit of thought not disinformation.
If true he's a moron and we must be worried for the club if he's that gullible and as you say he had investors to keep happy

. We know it's not true though becuase the Niners did not "stay in the background" when Marsch was fired. They led that decision as we know Orta wanted Marsch to stay and finish the season. The irony being we probably stay up had he done so.
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The Subhuman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 9:06 pm If true he's a moron and we must be worried for the club if he's that gullible and as you say he had investors to keep happy

. We know it's not true though becuase the Niners did not "stay in the background" when Marsch was fired. They led that decision as we know Orta wanted Marsch to stay and finish the season. The irony being we probably stay up had he done so.
They vetoed the Harrison transfer, they paid for Rutter, plenty of tangible evidence they had plenty of say.

It's not an issue now, they've done well since taking full charge I've no complaints.

I'm no fan of Radz, Orta and Kinnear.

Just don't believe the narrative they were innocent bystanders.

Of course they want people to think they were, get fans onside etc no issue with that.
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Cjay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 5:27 pmPresumably
Thought it was funny yes, maybe a different sense of humour along with understanding of how a successful business is run ;-)
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Johnthewhite wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 9:21 pm Thought it was funny yes, maybe a different sense of humour along with understanding of how a successful business is run ;-)
I prefer knock knock jokes . . . ..

I'm no business expert :lol:

But I am very analytical and logical.
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Cjay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 9:23 pm I prefer knock knock jokes . . . ..

I'm no business expert :lol:

But I am very analytical and logical.
What makes you think business men use logic :) In my years running a business, I found the bigger the company was, the worse it was run.
Maybe it's because they ARE so far removed from the financial risk in a way (as it's not actually their own money) Small, medium sized business are usually the best run, as the owner is often 'in the building'
I will stick to knock knock in future and hope for a better response 😂
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Johnthewhite wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 9:35 pm What makes you think business men use logic :) In my years running a business, I found the bigger the company was, the worse it was run.
Maybe it's because they ARE so far removed from the financial risk in a way (as it's not actually their own money) Small, medium sized business are usually the best run, as the owner is often 'in the building'
I will stick to knock knock in future and hope for a better response 😂
Perhaps :)

But if you invested your money with Marathe and questioned him on things that impact your money like contracts and player sales and he responded "I didn't know bro". I don't think you'd be happy.

The one thing you'd expected of him is to look after your financial interests and by extension know the details about the club.

Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
Nobel.
Nobel who?
Nobel … that’s why I knocked.
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Cjay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 9:49 pm Perhaps :)

But if you invested your money with Marathe and questioned him on things that impact your money like contracts and player sales and he responded "I didn't know bro". I don't think you'd be happy.

The one thing you'd expected of him is to look after your financial interests and by extension know the details about the club.

Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
Nobel.
Nobel who?
Nobel … that’s why I knocked.
I here what you are saying, however how about the fact they managed to purchase the club at a knocked down price because of the relegation :duno:
Maybe that was sold to the investors as a master stroke...
Nobel, that's a cracker :lol:
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Johnthewhite wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 9:57 pm I here what you are saying, however how about the fact they managed to purchase the club at a knocked down price because of the relegation :duno:
Maybe that was sold to the investors as a master stroke...
Nobel, that's a cracker :lol:
Your turn for a knock knock joke
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Cjay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 9:14 pm They vetoed the Harrison transfer, they paid for Rutter, plenty of tangible evidence they had plenty of say.

It's not an issue now, they've done well since taking full charge I've no complaints.

I'm no fan of Radz, Orta and Kinnear.

Just don't believe the narrative they were innocent bystanders.

Of course they want people to think they were, get fans onside etc no issue with that.
The trouble is that both of those can be very easily, and logically explained. Rads skint so he wants to sell Harrison - maybe to actually keep funding the club. 49ers see it as strengthening a relegation and say, "we will provide the funds, you don't need to sell." So not really like they are running the club but providing the money that Rads doesn't have and as such we don't need to sell. Whether they rate Harrison or not at that time he is a first team player for us and Leicester a direct, and cheating, rival.

Orta pops up and says, "We can sign Rutter." Orta being the bullsh*t merchant that he is tells the club how great Rutter is etc. Again Rads has not got a pot to p*ss in so the 49ers stump up the cash after falling for Orta's bs thinking they are signing the next Messi, thinking they are signing a player that will keep us up and protect their investment. So they are investing more simply to try to protect their investment.

As such not meddling, rather helping the skint Rads and trying to protect their investment at a time when they were minority holders but still had a sizeable asset that could quickly diminish in value. Likely they also would have secured various assurances in regard to the extra money they were putting in, maybe getting an agreement that Rads would sell them more shares, agree an asking price etc.

So bystanders in terms of trying to help the club without really knowing the business and trusting Orta.
Cjay wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 4:23 pm I've pretended to support a team that's been crap for most of my life as part of a long term plan
Victor_Notts-17 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2026 7:03 pm Did you post them because there's something wrong with your brain
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Cjay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 11:13 pm Your turn for a knock knock joke
Knock knock
Cjay: Who's there
The truth
Cjay: The truth w...
The truth hits Cjay in the face!
Cjay wrote: ↑Sat May 17, 2025 4:23 pm I've pretended to support a team that's been crap for most of my life as part of a long term plan
Victor_Notts-17 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2026 7:03 pm Did you post them because there's something wrong with your brain
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weasel wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 11:40 pm The trouble is that both of those can be very easily, and logically explained. Rads skint so he wants to sell Harrison - maybe to actually keep funding the club. 49ers see it as strengthening a relegation and say, "we will provide the funds, you don't need to sell." So not really like they are running the club but providing the money that Rads doesn't have and as such we don't need to sell. Whether they rate Harrison or not at that time he is a first team player for us and Leicester a direct, and cheating, rival.

Orta pops up and says, "We can sign Rutter." Orta being the bullsh*t merchant that he is tells the club how great Rutter is etc. Again Rads has not got a pot to p*ss in so the 49ers stump up the cash after falling for Orta's bs thinking they are signing the next Messi, thinking they are signing a player that will keep us up and protect their investment. So they are investing more simply to try to protect their investment.

As such not meddling, rather helping the skint Rads and trying to protect their investment at a time when they were minority holders but still had a sizeable asset that could quickly diminish in value. Likely they also would have secured various assurances in regard to the extra money they were putting in, maybe getting an agreement that Rads would sell them more shares, agree an asking price etc.

So bystanders in terms of trying to help the club without really knowing the business and trusting Orta.
It's just not how they work, a Google gives a very good insight into VC funds.

Radz had to pitch to them, sell the idea to them.

For their money they got board seats, voting rights, veto power and major say on any major decisions which may impact the value of the asset.

Day to day running Radz through Kinnear.

But anything major they had the absolute right to have a say.

Managers, transfers, contracts, sponsorship etc.

If they were too naive or inexperienced that's one thing.

On Marathe as an educated and experienced executive to know, thats what he's paid for.

But having no clue as in total ignorance and playing the "I didn't know bro" card? I think investors would see that as negligence.

You would if it was your money as would anyone, hence why I just don't think it's true.

They wouldn't have kept Kinnear on and been open to Orta staying if they were as blindsided as they let on.
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Cjay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 25, 2026 9:23 pm I prefer knock knock jokes . . . ..

I'm no business expert :lol:

But I am very analytical and logical.
What do you do for work mate, some sort of computer work I’m guessing?
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Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2026 9:27 am What do you do for work mate, some sort of computer work I’m guessing?
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soz CJay it was there
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Barlow Boy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2026 9:27 am What do you do for work mate, some sort of computer work I’m guessing?
Something like that yes :)
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Cjay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2026 10:12 am Something like that yes :)
Thought so.

My son, a few years younger than you, is a computer programmer and he uses the same words as you. He also sends me those GIF things which you use.
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