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Leeds United v Derby County
Leeds United
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Championship
21/09/2019
Elland Road
Derby County
Derby County
All-time record vs Derby County
128
Played
61
Won
29
Drawn
38
Lost
+37
GD
48%
Win %
Home record at Elland Road
61
Played
35
Won
14
Drawn
12
Lost
+45
GD
57%
Win %
DateGroundScoreCompetition
15/05/2019 Elland Road 2–4 L Championship Play Off Semi Final 2nd Leg ↗
11/05/2019 Pride Park 0–1 W Championship Play Off Semi Final 1st Leg ↗
11/01/2019 Elland Road 2–0 W Championship ↗
11/08/2018 Pride Park 1–4 W Championship ↗
21/02/2018 Pride Park 2–2 D Championship ↗
All-time top scorers vs Derby County
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1 Peter Lorimer 13
2 Allan Clarke 5
3 Harry Kewell 5
4 Lee Bowyer 5
5 Jack Charlton 5
Starting XI
Goa Casilla
Def Dallas
Def Cooper ©
Def White
Def Alioski
Mid Phillips
Mid Klich
Mid Hernandez
Mid Harrison
For Bamford
Substitutes
SUB Costa
SUB Douglas
SUB Nketiah
Unused Substitutes
-- Meslier
-- Roberts
-- Berardi
-- Gotts
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SG90 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:14 pm Man City 3-0 up inside 15 mins. That's what taking your chances looks like.
5 up after 18.
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Re: Leeds Utd v Derby County Match Thread - Forshaw still out, no new injury concerns

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BGwhite wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:22 pm No but we have a 2nd rate winger from them who wouldn't get in there womens team...no offence.

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A second rate Man City winger will be quality the division down, if he was first rate he'd be on their match day bench or starting...I've no problems with the only player we have that can play that role with any quality on our current squad
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danhirons wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:17 pm This, how he gets in the team is beyond me, no attributes beyond being a hard worker (you can tell he always gives 110 per cent which is fair enough, just lacks any quality).

Bielsa for me too stubborn in the lineups, said it loads of times before. Does all of this analysis on opposition sides and yet we play the same eleven with the same formation and game plan week in week out. Still dominating sides totally, you feel we're just a few tweaks away from running away with the league.
MB is why we are where we are but his stubbornness is frustrating.

Harrison should never have been got back, while we were talking to Wolves about Costa we should have got his mate Cavaleiro to.

The last line describes last season to, at the end of the day we are using largely the same players as last season its no surprise the old issues are occurring.

I think MB has to start Costa and Nketiah, no other team in this league would have them as impactsubs, Costa especially.
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BGwhite wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:27 pm Thats exactly what im saying. 35000 leeds fans expectations weighs heavily on the players .

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Then it is a different argument, one I'll happily discuss because there's an issue there. There's a reason we've spent more time at the second level a than the top one last 50 yrs
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Re: Leeds Utd v Derby County Match Thread - Forshaw still out, no new injury concerns

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faaip wrote: A second rate Man City winger will be quality the division down, if he was first rate he'd be on their match day bench or starting...I've no problems with the only player we have that can play that role with any quality on our current squad
In other words he's the best of a bad lot basically. Our left side is definitely our weak point . Id put Ayling back in at right back when he's fit enough and switch Dallas to left back.

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BGwhite wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:22 pm There you go. Thats what you get for 2nd rate finishing and Leeds will go all season like this unless stubborn Bielsa changes his ways. No sympathy at all for the clowns.

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Totally agree - I do have sympathy for all us supporters though. Time and time again in the last 14 months we have had to suffer these dominating but ultimately not winning performances like this. Just wish I could just shrug it off but I’ll be like a bear with a sore head all day !
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BGwhite wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:34 pm In other words he's the best of a bad lot basically. Our left side is definitely our weak point . Id put Ayling back in at right back when he's fit enough and switch Dallas to left back.

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That's actually a good idea, Alio has been very poor in defence and Dallas Harrison lit it up together in the playoffs. Football is all about partnerships.

On the subject of Costa replacing Dallas, Costa maybe left footed but he's three times the player playing off the right side. If he starts he replaces Pablo for me, then you need to figure out if you start Pablo middle of the park
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faaip wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:37 pm That's actually a good idea, Alio has been very poor in defence and Dallas Harrison lit it up together in the playoffs. Football is all about partnerships.

On the subject of Costa replacing Dallas, Costa maybe left footed but he's three times the player playing off the right side. If he starts he replaces Pablo for me, then you need to figure out if you start Pablo middle of the park
I can't remember a time Harrison has ever lit anything up since arriving... Dallas was awesome in the play offs though.

I'd put alioski on the left or preferably Costa, if Dallas were moved to left back. Maybe Harrison would be more effective coming on late against a tired defence too. Has he even got an assist this season?! Remember him scoring a tap in earlier on in the league... But pretty sure he's not scored since.
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pembswhite wrote: Totally agree - I do have sympathy for all us supporters though. Time and time again in the last 14 months we have had to suffer these dominating but ultimately not winning performances like this. Just wish I could just shrug it off but I’ll be like a bear with a sore head all day !
The draws against Forest and Derby will feel like defeats to the players and supporters after dominating both games, unfortunately this will become the norm because we don't have a clinical finisher who only needs just one chance to score. It is becoming more and more important for the defence to keep clean sheets because of our lack of goals.

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Been reading Mbs press conference where he spoke on his difficulty in finding a system to include both Bamford and Eddie in the same side. So much for having a system that is able to transform itself depending on the situation when you cant find a role for a second striker and even with a mostly fit squad dont have a natural replacement for Harrison on the left.

But Bamford needs benched for the next game.

The boss needs to adapt.
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Well if he hasn't found a system by now he never will. Think its just masking over his stubbornness tbh. We should be well clear at the top now but dropping points at home is going to cost us and thats down to missed chances by PB who he insists on starting. MB needs to stand up from his bucket now and rest the players who aren't performing ...same players same outcome imo.

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Just got home and I’m still so bloody angry 😡

I’m sick and tired of hearing how hard Bambi is grafting and is unlucky not to score, when he went for the long range shot I was screaming Noooooooo as I knew he’d miss he needs to be dropped to the U23s to find his scoring boots (if he ever had any), if he stays in the first team we won’t get promoted :rant: :evil: :rant:
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Ratscoot wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:45 pm Just got home and I’m still so bloody angry 😡
I'm still pondering after what I have witnessed today....feels like a loss mate

Jekyll & Hyde comes to mind :(
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BGwhite wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:01 pmwe don't have a clinical finisher who only needs just one chance to score.
We do though, he's sat on the bench and only gets ten mins. As I said after Barnsley, why can't we get a game finished at HT, rather than waiting until the 85 min all the time.
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1964white wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:22 pm I'm still pondering after what I have witnessed today....feels like a loss mate

Jekyll & Hyde comes to mind :(
I said after Forest it would keep happening and I got called negative. It might be good away from home, but it isn't working at home and it don't know how Bielsa can't see it. We only beat Brentford as we scored late. Had we scored after 20 mins, we'd have drawn that too.
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We're a point behind last season, next two games last season we got 1 point
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Why do we have 3 full backs on the bench all the time? Why not give Bogusz or Edmondson a chance for a change? They can bring something a bit different from the bench.
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SG90 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:52 pm Why do we have 3 full backs on the bench all the time? Why not give Bogusz or Edmondson a chance for a change? They can bring something a bit different from the bench.
I think the answer is that all our subs are premeditated. Do you really think even Robbie Gotts believes he will get game time?
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Gotts can play center mid, he's not in the squad as FB cover
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