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Arsenal v Leeds United
Arsenal
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2–1
Premier League
08/05/2022
Emirates Stadium
Leeds United
Leeds United
All-time record vs Arsenal
129
Played
41
Won
33
Drawn
55
Lost
-52
GD
32%
Win %
Away record
67
Played
15
Won
15
Drawn
37
Lost
-61
GD
22%
Win %
DateGroundScoreCompetition
18/12/2021 Elland Road 1–4 L Premier League ↗
26/10/2021 Emirates Stadium 2–0 L Carabao Cup, 4th Round ↗
14/02/2021 Emirates Stadium 4–2 L Premier League ↗
22/11/2020 Elland Road 0–0 D Premier League ↗
06/01/2020 Emirates Stadium 1–0 L FA Cup 3rd Round ↗
All-time top scorers vs Arsenal
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1 Peter Lorimer 9
2 Tom Jennings 8
3 Lee Chapman 7
4 Allan Clarke 6
5 Johnny Giles 5
Starting XI
Goa Meslier
Def Ayling ©
Def Koch
Def Llorente
Def Firpo
Mid Klich
Mid Phillips
Mid James
Mid Harrison
For Gelhardt
Substitutes
SUB Bate
SUB Moreno
SUB Struijk
Unused Substitutes
-- Klaesson
-- Hjelde
-- Cresswell
-- Greenwood
-- Shackleton
-- Gray
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Re: Arsenal v Leeds Utd Match Thread

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Jaydog wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 9:47 am A PL record yellow card count this season. 96.
Marsch 20 yellow & 1 red. 2.22 yellow per game (9 games and counting)
Bielsa 76 yellow & 1 red. 2.92 yellow per game (26 games)
If anything Marsch has improved discipline based on the figures. The reckless Ayling challenge could never be blamed on a manager. There’s zero rational argument to say he could or would influence a player to do that.
You could argue had Bielsa stayed in charge our yellow card count could of easily topped 100.
With Marsch sub 90 for a whole season.
Tenuous I know but so is anything where you have no actual proof. If it goes to the high court my facts are indisputable m‘lud. :shhh:
I think the frustration has been there all season as generally when players are having a tough time they are more inclined to go OTT and pick up bookings. Its been a torrid season. Even before we have saw it.
( Eg KP against QPR a few seasons back when he was red carded for a very poor lunge)

James and Firpo have been the main culprits numbers wise, James in his high pressing and Firpo well because he is out of his depth.


That said Bielsa did instill a respect for refs decisions in the side which has been replaced with the opposite in the players. Now we see more arguing and a general lack of discipline, some of that is down to Jesse and his approach.
Ayling was lucky in the Norwich game, again he was playing poorly and again he lunged at a player. Shocker it was.

I worry that our players are losing their heads, maybe they feel overwhelmed with tactics, the situation they find themselves in or something else.
Marsch OUT

Football has undergone a process of bielsification; pressing and possessing, passing rather than dribbling, intercepting high up the field rather than making last-ditch tackles, are in vogue.

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William wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 11:40 am I think the frustration has been there all season as generally when players are having a tough time they are more inclined to go OTT and pick up bookings. Its been a torrid season. Even before we have saw it.
( Eg KP against QPR a few seasons back when he was red carded for a very poor lunge)

James and Firpo have been the main culprits numbers wise, James in his high pressing and Firpo well because he is out of his depth.


That said Bielsa did instill a respect for refs decisions in the side which has been replaced with the opposite in the players. Now we see more arguing and a general lack of discipline, some of that is down to Jesse and his approach.
Ayling was lucky in the Norwich game, again he was playing poorly and again he lunged at a player. Shocker it was.

I worry that our players are losing their heads, maybe they feel overwhelmed with tactics, the situation they find themselves in or something else.
See where you’re coming from William (Firpo on 10 is joint leader in the division) and no doubt MB detested all that nonsense of chasing refs but I seem to remember my dad saying to me “son if I asked you to jump in the fire, would you?” They are grown men and should behave like that, just can’t blame Marsch for that unless he’s given some kind of licence to it. Most likely the situation as none of them has experienced a PL relegation dogfight, I struggle with tactics being an issue. How long have they had on the training ground for goodness sake.
So Hjelde for Firpo then, would you agree?
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An emotional young man, agree with much of his opinion.


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And these three chappies always make me smile :-D

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William wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 11:40 am I think the frustration has been there all season as generally when players are having a tough time they are more inclined to go OTT and pick up bookings. Its been a torrid season. Even before we have saw it.
( Eg KP against QPR a few seasons back when he was red carded for a very poor lunge)

James and Firpo have been the main culprits numbers wise, James in his high pressing and Firpo well because he is out of his depth.


That said Bielsa did instill a respect for refs decisions in the side which has been replaced with the opposite in the players. Now we see more arguing and a general lack of discipline, some of that is down to Jesse and his approach.
Ayling was lucky in the Norwich game, again he was playing poorly and again he lunged at a player. Shocker it was.

I worry that our players are losing their heads, maybe they feel overwhelmed with tactics, the situation they find themselves in or something else.
:clap: :clap: :clap: No leader anymore, they're all hotheads zooming around trying to prove they were right, looks like Raph wanted him gone as well after that, perhaps they thought they knew how they could play,

Oh how wrong they were.
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Kennyb41 wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 1:42 pm :clap: :clap: :clap: No leader anymore, they're all hotheads zooming around trying to prove they were right, looks like Raph wanted him gone as well after that, perhaps they thought they knew how they could play,

Oh how wrong they were.
We've had no leaders all season.
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1964white wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 2:58 pm We've had no leaders all season.
For most of it yes, all 3 of em.
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Jaydog wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 11:58 am See where you’re coming from William (Firpo on 10 is joint leader in the division) and no doubt MB detested all that nonsense of chasing refs but I seem to remember my dad saying to me “son if I asked you to jump in the fire, would you?” They are grown men and should behave like that, just can’t blame Marsch for that unless he’s given some kind of licence to it. Most likely the situation as none of them has experienced a PL relegation dogfight, I struggle with tactics being an issue. How long have they had on the training ground for goodness sake.
So Hjelde for Firpo then, would you agree?
Have we saw Hjelde play there for any time? Pascal has filled in there too.

Firpo got an assist yesterday, that will probably keep him in.

With Shacks coming in on the other side we defo need three at the back imo.
Marsch OUT

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Les Mes
Shack - Llorente - Koch - Hjelde
Phillips
Raphina - Rodrigo - Bate - Harrison
James

Is perhaps the best to go with for a win, but it would probably get thrashed.

Les Mes
Shack - Llorente - Koch - Pascal - Hjelde - Firpo
James - Phillips - Harri.....oh i've no idea if you wanna go for a point...
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Kennyb41 wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 4:16 pm Les Mes
Shack - Llorente - Koch - Hjelde
Phillips
Raphina - Rodrigo - Bate - Harrison
James

Is perhaps the best to go with for a win, but it would probably get thrashed.

Les Mes
Shack - Llorente - Koch - Pascal - Hjelde - Firpo
James - Phillips - Harri.....oh i've no idea if you wanna go for a point...
I might go with that but JG has to be in for me.
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Jaydog wrote: ↑Mon May 09, 2022 4:25 pm I might go with that but JG has to be in for me.
Well you can't ask him to do the lone role then coz he's no chance, it'll have to be in a front 2 or 3.

And possibly better throwing in a 4-1-5 and catch them on the break type of jobby....whilst holding a rabbits foot, crossing your fingers toes eyes and ears, don't break a mirror, see a black cat...type of thingymebob.
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7pm Live this evening

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Firpo's ideal position is Left Out ;-)
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1964white wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:26 am 7pm Live this evening

Will watch that Leon 8-)

Kagey and Connor have already done match reactions and previews of the Cheatski match 👍
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White Riot wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:29 am Will watch that Leon 8-)

Kagey and Connor have already done match reactions and previews of the Cheatski match 👍
Looking to the show tonight, James
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Kagey's Arsenal match reaction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiG-H-FnZfQ

Connor's Arsenal match reaction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ITBYWkiL4s
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1964white wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:26 am 7pm Live this evening

The Debrief on now.
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